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    Select Committee Hearings

    By HEF Admin | July 27, 2006

    Following are some observations and/or oral submissions from individuals who either presented oral submissions before the Justice and Electoral Select Committee concerning the Crimes Amendment Bill, or who attended hearings as interested observers.


    Ruby Harrold-Claesson’s oral submission to the Section 59 of the Crimes Act Select Committee in Hamilton 27 July 2006

    Good morning!

    My name is Ruby Harrold-Claesson, I am an attorney-at-law in Gothenburg, Sweden and I am also the president of the Nordic Committee for Human Rights – NCHR – For the protection of Family rights in the Nordic countries. I have a Master of Laws degree from Gothenburg University and I have studied Law and Political Science in France.

    The reason for my appearance here is Green MP Sue Bradford’s private Bill to remove Section 59 “the plea of reasonable force” from the Crimes Act. In this context she has cited Sweden as the example to follow. Being a legal practitioner in Sweden and president of the NCHR, I have been brought to New Zealand by the Section59 Coalition to give first hand information about the prosecution of parents, the breaking up of families and the unnecessary taking of children into care following the passing of the Anti-smacking law in 1979.
    Ms Bradford also claims that the change that she has proposed will prevent child deaths by abuse and that only one (1) child in four (4) years has died at the hands of it’s parents in Sweden.

    In support of my submission, I am presenting to the Select Committee this folder with English summaries of 30 cases from 1978 – 2004 and copies of court verdicts of prosecutions against parents who have smacked their children and also some newspaper articles about the same.

    Sweden removed the plea “reasonable force” in 1957 and the Anti-smacking law, forbidding parents to smack their children, gained force of law in 1979, to commemorate the UN’s Year of the Child. Contrary to the claims made by Ms Bradford, these laws have not prevented child abuse or child deaths at the hands of their parents. Statistics and recent research made at the University of Stockholm (May 2006) show that 258 children in Sweden have died at the hands of their parents between 1965-1999. Source The Daily News (Dagens Nyheter) May 12, 2006.

    Statistics from the National Council of Crime Prevention (BRÅ) show that an average of seven (7) children per year die at the hands of their parents.

    Dr Chris Beckett has written the article “The Swedish Myth: The Corporal Punishment Ban and Child Death Statistics”, published in British Journal of Social Work 2005. In this article Dr Beckett shows that the Swedish smacking ban has not reduced child deaths.

    I am proud to inform the Select Committee that Dr Cindy Kiro’s office has made an investigation into the information that Sue Bradford has been presenting and the information that I have presented and they have found that my figures are correct.

    Conclusion: Removing section 59 will not prevent child deaths by abuse. Despite the removal of the plea “reasonable force” and the passing of anti-smacking law, children still die at the hands of their parents in Sweden.

    Here are some recent examples:
    From January – February 2006 there has been three (3) child deaths in Sweden. These cases are:
    1 – Freddie three years old, died in January 2006 of abuse and neglect by his adoptive parents;
    http://www.nkmr.org/fallet_freddie.htm
    2 – Bobby ten years old, died in January 2006 of severe abuse at the hands of his mother and stepfather;
    http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,818768,00.html + links
    3 – Leo three years old, died in February 2006, suffocated by his mother;
    http://www.expressen.se/ego/c_r/index.jsp?a=521498, http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=550777,
    4 – May 2006 – 12 year old girl was stabbed to death by her step-father
    http://www.expressen.se/ego/c_r/index.jsp?a=595354

    Other children have died of state abuse in Sweden but these deaths are not included in the Statistics over child deaths at the hands of their carers.

    For example:

    · Earlier this year a three (3) month old baby died in crib death one month after he was removed from his mother. WHO recommends that nursing babies should not to be removed from their mothers before the age of 6 months. http://www.nkmr.org/lille_martin_tre_manader_dog_i_socialens_jourhem.htm
    · 17 year old boy hung himself in police cell in Örebro in January 2006. He had fled from the treatment home (institution) and the social services demanded police assistance to find him. He had told his girl friend that he would rather die than go back to the foster home.
    http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=505794

    2.

    Sue Bradford says that she does not want to ban smacking. However removing “reasonable force” from section 59 will open the way to a smacking ban.

    The Swedish example shows how the first step that was taken in 1957 removing the plea of “reasonable force” from the Criminal Code led to changes in the wording of the law where “curb” was replaced by “correct” in 1966.

    Following the death of a child in 1965, there were two private members Bills for a smacking ban. The Minister of Justice in 1966, Herman Kling, suggested that the Parents and Guardianship Code should be change to read that parents should not use other disciplinary methods than those that were suitable taking into consideration the child’s age and other circumstances.

    He said, I quote:
    “Considering the duties incumbent on the parent, we can not disregard the fact that certain situations can occur in the most harmonious family relationships. Parents can be obliged to over-power certain resistance from the child in situations where the child must be prevented from hurting himself or even from committing a crime. Even in other cases it may not be possible to influence a child’s behaviour without some form of physical correction. Considering the criminal and civil liability that both the child and the parent can face, if the child is not kept in control, I do not think that every form of physical punishment should be forbidden by law. ” Source: Parliamentary Prop 1966:96, SOU 1978:10 page 17.

    Then in 1979 the smacking ban was passed by 344 of 350 votes. Only six (6) MPs voted against the law, which they saw to be the abolition of Parental Authority. In Sweden we call this “The tyranny of the small steps”.

    The Anti-smacking law, in Chapter 6 section 1 of the Swedish Parents and Guardianship Code reads: “Children are entitled to care, security and a good upbringing. Children are to be treated with respect for their person and individuality and may not be subjected to physical punishment or any other humiliating treatment”. But there are no demands made on the children that they should respect their parents and obey them.

    Title IX of the French Civil Code (1981) deals with Parental authority. Article 371 reads: “The child, no matter what its age, owes honour and respect to its father and mother”.

    There is obviously a great difference in philosophy between the French law and the Swedish law.

    Here are some problems in the Swedish society that in my views are directly attributed to the anti-smacking law:

    · Parents in Sweden are afraid of their children. The children are educated or rather indoctrinated in their rights so they threaten their parents: “If you touch me I’ll report you to the police”.
    · Children are being taken away from their parents are put in foster homes following reports that their parents have smacked them. The law provides protection for children who are exposed to ill treatment.
    · In Sweden, over 20,000 children per year are in state care
    · Abuse of children in State care is seldom punished
    · There is a remarkable increase in bullying
    · There are severe problems with discipline in the schools

    All this has occurred since the smacking ban!

    Yesterday I listened to a radio interview with Professor Åke Edfedt, psychologist, who claims that only one parent has been charged and sentenced according to the anti-smacking law. This is completely misleading.

    As I mentioned earlier, I have compiled a series of 30 verdicts in smacking cases that I have summarised in English to present to the Select Committee. These verdicts represent a cross section of some the smacking cases judged between 1978 – 2004, that I have been able to locate. Unfortunately, these cases are very difficult to find because of the filing system used by the courts. The cases are given a number starting with the letter “B” as in “brott” = crime, e.g. B 199/1999, without any information as to whether the case is about child abuse or other. These cases are therefore difficult to find.

    These cases are examples of what will happen to New Zealand parents and children if Section 59 should be repealed.

    Ruby Harrold-Claesson
    Attorney-at-law
    President of the NKMR/NCHR
    www.nkmr.org

    Appendices
    1. Thirty Cases

    Case Law Summary of 30 Cases — in English

    List of Cases 1978 – 2005.

    1 – The priest in SÖLVESBORG. (1978)
    2 – Danish journalist in Linköping (1980)
    3 – The Turkish father in Södertälje (1982)
    4 – Teacher Case I (1984)
    5 – The Hälsingborg Case (1984)
    6 – The American Case (1984 – 1985)
    7 – The Hungarian Case (1985)
    8 – The Yavari case (1988)
    9 – The Polish family in Mölndal (1989)
    10 – The case of the ‘uncared’ child in Stockholm (1988)
    11 – The Sandviken Case (1988)
    12 – The Step-father in Malung (1991)
    13 – The Foster-parent Case (1992)
    14 – The Priest Case nr 2 (1992)
    15 – Teacher case II (1992)
    16 – The Police Chief’s Case (1992)
    17 – The Refugee Mother Case (1992)
    18 – The Pre-school teacher case (1992)
    19 – The Case of the African in Gothenburg (1993)
    20 – The Case of the young Thai widow (1995)
    21 – The Case of the Tanzanian mother (1995)
    22 – The Eritrean Refugee case in Solna (1995)
    23 – The Bosnian Refugee Case (1996)
    24 – The father in Gothenburg (1998)
    25 – The parents in Stockholm (1998)
    26 – The Sunne Cases I & II Aggravated Harassment – Disturbance of Peace (2002)
    27 – The Father of seven in Skåne Aggravated Harassment (2003)
    28 – The American father in Borås 2003
    29 – The Stepfather in Uddevalla whose 15 yr old step-daughter spat in his face (2004)
    30 – The Refugee father in Örebro (2004)

    1 – The priest in SÖLVESBORG.
    Summary judgement (Strafföreläggande) 1051-403-78
    On December 20, 1978, i.e. before the passing of the anti-smacking law, the priest was given a summary judgement and fined 20 day-fines à 45 SEK.

    The priest’s crime was entitled: Assault, minor crime. (Misshandel, ringa brott.)

    Description of the crime, which was signed by public prosecutor Magnus Eneroth reads:

    “You have, in your home at Gammaltorp, inflicted your 13-year old daughter E a slap in her face with the palm of your hand and caused her pain, tenderness and a blue mark.” Time: 22-10-1978. Law: Chapter 3 section 5 Penal Code.

    (Ni har i Ert hem i Gammaltorp tilldelat Er 13-åriga dotter E ett slag i ansiktet med öppen hand och tillfogat henne smärta, ömhet och blånad. Tid: 1978-10-22. Lagrum: 3 kap 5 § Brottsbalken.)

    2 – Danish journalist in Linköping 1980
    Towards the end of August 1980, two Danish parents were threatened with prosecution and public care of their five-year-old son, who had made a careless remark at his day-care centre. The boy had told of having been smacked on his buttocks and that “my mother tramples on my back.”

    The boy’s story was reported to the social authorities in Linköping by the staff at the day-care centre. The mother, being a journalist, sent the story to Berlingske Tidende which published two very sarcastic articles under the heading “From great new Sweden” (Fra fagre ny Sverige) 28/8 1980 and “Husband and wife prosecuted. Smacked their son’s bottom” (Ægtepar står til straf, gav son klask bagi) 30/8 1980.

    The parents also challenged the social workers before Justitieombudsmannen and the case against them was closed.

    3 – The Turkish father in Södertälje (Södertälje District Court Case no. B 63/82 verdict DB 462 27 April 1982)

    On April 27, 1982, a Turkish citizen was sentenced and fined for having assaulted his two-year-old daughter while they were shopping at the supermarket Obs! in Södertälje. The father was shopping with his daughter and his mother-in-law. The child did not want to sit in the shopping-cart, so her father let her walk beside him. Then the child started taking things from the shelves and her father told her to leave the things alone or else she would have to sit in the shopping-cart.

    When the little girl continued to take things from the shelves her father picked her up and put her to sit on the cart. The little girl started to cry and kicked off her boots. Her father picked up the boots and put them back on her feet. The father was accosted by a Swedish woman, who informed him that Swedish law forbids parents to slap their children. She reported the incident to the police. The father denied slapping the child and his version of the events was collaborated by the child’s grandmother. However, the court found the father guilty on the basis of the story presented by the Swedish woman.

    4 – Teacher Case I (NR B 247/84, Judgement DB 294 (District Court); B 245/84 Judgement nr DB 2029, Court of Appeal)

    The first case that received media attention world-wide dates from 1984. A father in Gällivare, in the north of Sweden, teacher to profession, was prosecuted for, and found guilty of assault of his 12-year-old son. Both the lower court and the Court of Appeals found the father guilty as charged, and he was convicted, fined and sentenced (suspended sentence), because he had smacked his son. The Supreme Court refused to try the case so the decision of the Court of Appeals “acquired force of law”.

    The Court of Appeals admitted that the father had all reason to be angry at his son because the boy had openly disregarded and disobeyed his parents’ orders NEVER to toe his little brother on his bicycle. However, the Court of Appeals maintained that, no matter what a child does, the law guarantees that he should never be smacked by his parents.

    The facts of the case are as follows: The boy had placed his little brother on the back of his bicycle several times that day and ridden off down the street. The father had warned him about the danger of taking his little brother on the bicycle and cycling through the Saturday morning traffic with him. He also warned that the spokes could injure the small boy’s foot. But the boy took no notice of his father. After a while, the boy returned home with his little brother who was crying because his foot had got caught in the spokes. The father confiscated the boy’s bicycle and locked it away. He then took the boy into the house and gave him three smacks on his bottom with some twigs.

    Several similar cases were brought to justice in 1984 and 1985.

    5 – The Hälsingborg Case
    (Order of summary punishment (Strafföreläggande) 1252-882-84)

    Hälsingborgs District Attorney issued an order of summary punishment on May 23, 1984 against a Swedish father for having slapped his 12-year-old son’s face.

    The boy’s friends used to call the family’s telephone so often that the parents decided to get a secret number. The boy was told not to give the number to his friends. On April 27, 1984, when a call came for the boy, his father accused him of having given the new telephone number to his friends.

    When the boy denied doing this, his father accused him of lying and slapped his face. His mother saw what had happened and instructed the boy to report his father to the police. The family then sat down to dinner and an hour later the boy went to the police and reported his father.

    The mother was interrogated by the police on May 14, 1984. The police asked her if she had been aware of the consequences of a report to the police. She replied: “I wasn’t, but I thought that the police would talk to Dad, and give him a warning so that he wouldn’t do it again. If we had known that it would go as far as this, we would never have reported the incident. It would have remained within the family.” (“Får jag fråga, var du medveten om konsekvenserna av en anmälan till polisen?”
    SS svarade: Det var jag inte utan jag trodde närmast liksom att polisen skulle prata med pappa, dom skulle ge honom en varning så att han inte tog till sådan tag och hade vi vetat att det hela går så långt som till .. då hade vi aldrig anmält händelsen, utan det hade stannat inom familjen så att säga liksom.”)

    6 – The Hungarian Case
    (Kristianstad District Court Case no. B 169/85 Verdict DB 247; District Administrative Court in Kristianstad Case no. Ö 291-84 & Ö 136-85)

    Kristianstad District Court issued a suspended sentence against a Hungarian man for having smacked his seven-year-old son. The child was removed from their home and placed in social custody. The child had been fighting with the other children at school and had even bitten a teacher.

    The District Administrative Court in Kristianstad upheld the decision of the social district council to take the child into public care. Psychiatric care was recommended both for the boy and the chastising father.

    7 – The American Case
    (Solna District Court B 340/85 verdict DB 372, District Administrative Court in Stockholm case no. Ö 2123-84)
    Solna District Court sentenced an American residing in Sweden for maltreatment of his 15-year-old daughter and the girl was taken into social custody. The father had smacked her on her bottom with the palm of his hand one morning when she had locked herself in the bathroom and prevented the other members of the family from getting ready to leave home for their daily routines.

    The girl was raped while at the institution. Her parents reported the matter to the police, but the matter was not investigated.

    8 – The Yavari case
    The Yavari case took place in 1988 and was for several weeks recurring front-page news in the evening newspaper Göteborgs Tidningen (GT) and the Christian newspaper DAGEN “The Day”.

    A simple question from the little four-year-old Yavari girl to her day-carer gave rise to a nightmare experience for the Yavari family. The little girl asked her day-carer if her son would get a smacking because he had done something pretty nasty. The day-carer, employed by the community, came to the conclusion that the Yavari children must have been accustomed to being beaten i. e. “maltreated in their home”. She therefore made a report to her employer, and the employer in her turn made a formal report to the social authorities in Götene. All three children in the Yavari family were immediately taken into social custody and taken to hospital for examination. A series of doctor’s certificates stated that the children showed no signs of bruises or beating. The chairman of the social authorities refused to drop the case so the Yavaris’ took their children and fled to England.

    9 – The Polish family in Mölndal
    (Mölndals District Court Case no. B 674 & 694/89 Verdict DB 774)
    On December 19, 1989, Mölndal’s District Court sentenced a Polish father to 70-day-fines à 10 SEK for maltreatment of his 16-year-old daughter. He was charged for incidents which occurred in 1988 and 1989. The social authorities removed the girl from the custody of her parents and placed her as a foster-child in the home of the friend who the parents deemed as an unsuitable friend for their daughter.

    The family moved to Sweden in 1984 and shortly after starting school and making friends the girl refused to obey her parents and respect their norms and values. She demanded the same ‘freedoms’ that her Swedish friends had. She had unsuitable friends and she wanted to go to discotheques and stay out late at nights. One evening when she was to go to a party her father wiped off her excessive make-up and demanded that she put on suitable clothes.

    One night in November 1988 the girl was given strict rules to be home by 11 p.m. When she had not returned by 1 a.m. her parents went out to look for her. When they saw her she tried to run away but her father caught her up after a race of 600 à 700 meters. He told the Court that she hit after him and he hit at her, and it was possible that she received a blow.

    On one occasion the girl broke a window at home. Because she had reported her father to the police, the parents reported her for damages to their home.

    10 – The case of the ‘uncared’ child in Stockholm
    (Stockholm District Court Verdict 31/12 1988; Svea Court of Appeals FT 91/1992).

    On February 2, 1987, a member of the social district council reported a mother, alleging that she was not taking proper care of her five-year-old child and that the child most likely was being assaulted by her mother. The woman claimed that she had spoken to the mother’s neighbours who informed her that there was often noises and crying in the mother’s flat. Following the report, the social workers started an investigation. The mother was visited by a social worker on February 9, 1987. The investigation was closed since the social worker found no grounds for the accusations.

    The mother then sued the member of the social district council for seditious libel and won in both instances.

    11 – The Sandviken Case
    (Stockholm District Court Verdict 2/12 1988; Svea Court of Appeals T 7/89)

    On April 28, 1983, the president of the social district council decided to take a five-year-old child into public care, alleging that the father had ill-treated the boy. The boy had blisters and scars on his body, which looked like cigarette burns.

    The boy was placed in hospital for examination. The blisters appeared even there. The father was accused of sneaking into the hospital and inflicting wounds on his son. The child had a skin disease, Atopia. The father suffered from the same disease, too. However, no one listened to the explanations given by the parents.

    The social workers forced the parents to divorce, if the mother wanted to get her child back. They divorced. After many medical examinations a specialist confirmed that the boy had a skin disease. The strain and stress of the custody and divorce cases induced a nervous breakdown in the father.

    The father then sued the Swedish State, the Commune and the Health Board for the suffering he had been inflicted. The Courts granted him substantial damages but he had lost his health and family life forever.

    12 – The Step-father in Malung
    (Karlstad District Court. Case nr. B 97/91 verdict DB 143; Court of Appeals for Western Sweden Case nr. B 414/91 DB 165)

    Karlstad’s District Court sentenced the stepfather to one year’s imprisonment for assault of his two stepsons aged 12 and 11 years old. The boys were in bad company and they were often caught stealing in the grocery stores and the petrol station. The stepfather slapped the boys’ faces, smacked them and confined them to their rooms.

    The sentence was confirmed by the Court of Appeals for Western Sweden. The Supreme Court refused to try the case and the Government denied him pardon.

    13 – The Foster-parent Case
    (B 986/92 Borås District Court)

    On May 20 1992, a foster father in Borås was convicted for assault (maltreatment) of two of his foster children in their late teens and sentenced to four months imprisonment. The foster home only took care of the “hopeless cases” (“worsties” as they are called in Sweden) and the home was known to give good results where the social institutions had failed.

    The foster children had criminal backgrounds and they were very socially and mentally disturbed. They had often threatened to cut or kill the foster parents and their seven children, and sometimes they went raging mad and destroyed things in the house. One of them even burnt an out-house down to the ground, causing property damages for two and a half million SEK. The foster father had to overpower the teenagers when things got too rough and dangerous around the house. He was also accused by the foster children for saying Grace at the table.

    The Court of Appeals for Western Sweden in Gothenburg confirmed the prison sentence and the Supreme Court refused to try the case.

    14 – The Priest Case nr 2 (B 47/92 Sandvikens District Court verdict DB 124;) (Court of Appeals for Lower Norrland B 339/92 DB 211)

    On June 11, 1992 a priest in Sandviken was convicted and fined for ill-treatment of his 16 year-old daughter. The priest was charged for having slapped his daughter’s face. The day in question she had thrown a log full of nails and an axe after her younger sibling. The girl used to be “Daddy’s girl”, she was very spoilt and bad tempered and reluctant to help around the house.

    The priest never denied slapping his daughter, but he denies having maltreated her. This case was reported anonymously to the social authorities by someone who heard the girl screaming and slamming doors! The priest is suspended from his office. The Court of Appeal confirmed the District Court’s sentence on December 22, 1992. This case was referred to The European Court of Human Rights. The ECHR however, did not examine the case because the priest had not appealed to the Supreme Court.

    The Diocese had informed the priest that he would be dismissed from the priesthood if he appealed to the Supreme Court. To keep his job, he abstained from appealing. The priest was fired after the verdict had gained force of law.

    The family has been badly damaged by the interference of the authorities. The girl has lost the affection of her sisters and brother and the father does not dare correct her, no matter what she does. The girl has therefore lost her family and the parental guidance of her father.

    15 – Teacher case II (B 2637/92 Gothenburg District Court)
    In September 1992 a teacher was convicted and fined for having maltreated his 12 year-old son. The parents – both intellectuals – had made certain rules as regards the tidying of the children’s rooms and watching the Tele. The children were not allowed to watch TV all evening, and their TV-time was restricted to 2 hours per evening including playing computer games. It was a controversy about watching the Tele that triggered off the happenings on April 9.

    The father told his son to turn off the Tele and empty the garbage. The boy refused to comply, so his father turned off the Tele, removed the boy bodily from the sofa, put the garbage bag in his hand and shoved him towards the door. The boy cried and the following day he went to the police and reported being beaten and kicked – that he had been maltreated by his father.

    The boy informed his father that he had reported him to the police, and the father explained what the consequences could be. The boy rushed off to the police station to withdraw his statement but instead, that resulted in the father also being charged for “interfering in due process”. Because of the psychic press on the family, the father did not appeal the case.

    16 – The Police Chief’s Case
    (B 479/92 Umeå District Court)

    On October 23 1992, the) chief of police in Lycksele, county councillor in Norrbotten for the Moderates, LLB Sören Alfredsson, was convicted as charged and fined by Umeå district court for ill-treatment of his 15 year old daughter. Alfredsson has been convicted and heavily fined and he will have to repay the costs of the public defence counsel provided by the State.

    The alleged assault took place in February 1992. The mother had given the girl’s younger sibling a stereo tape recorder for his birthday. The girl became jealous of her brother, demanded compensation from her mother. Her mother refused any form of compensation for her brother’s birthday gift, informing her that she had not been behaving in a suitable way and that alcohol was found in her closet. The girl pushed her mother so she fell down the stairs.

    According to the prosecutor’s writ of summons, Alfredsson, when he had heard what his daughter had done, he grabbed a broad plaited cane used to beat carpets (mattpiskare) and whacked his daughter across her bottom. The girl went to the school-nurse who made a report to the social authorities, which in their turn filed charges against the father.

    NB the girl, age 15, is punishable by law. None of the authorities have even thought of prosecuting her for assault or attempted assault on her mother. That is Swedish justice!

    17 – The Refugee Mother Case (B 4477/92 Gothenburg District Court)
    On December 10, 1992 a 23 year old sole-parent and refugee, mother of two girls aged seven and six years, was sentenced to one year’s imprisonment for having smacked her younger daughter. The young woman came as a refugee from Eritrea and her children came to Sweden in May 1992. She was not informed about the existence of the anti-smacking law.

    The younger daughter was very stubborn and kept on picking fights with her older sister, who was having an attack of asthma. The mother intervened and, at the end of her tether, when the little girl would not stop fighting, she smacked her. The smacking took place in September 1992. The child bore marks on her body the following day when she was taken to the childcare centre to be vaccinated. The children, who knew no Swedish, were immediately taken into social custody and placed in an orphanage from September 1992 to April 1993.

    The mother was held in arrest for seven days. She was released on bail because she had refused to eat. However she was forbidden to make contact with her children for another six weeks. The children thought that the police had taken their mother and executed her, just like the Ethiopian police did with people during the war.

    The case was appealed to The Court of Appeals for Western Sweden, where her sentence was mitigated – the verdict was: 6 months imprisonment. The Supreme Court refused to examine the case on May 14, 1993. The case was reported to the European Commission but it was declared inadmissible.

    18 – The Pre-school teacher case
    (B 5050/92 Gothenburg District Court)

    This is a case about a young Finnish mother who is accused of maltreatment her 12 year old daughter who always kept on stealing and running away from home. The mother and daughter have been living in Sweden for 6 years and the child was emotionally disturbed because of alleged sexual abuse from her father (the parents divorced before mother and daughter moved to Sweden).

    Once when the girl had run away from home she was taken care of by the police and the social authorities in Falköping. The girl then said that she was afraid to return home because her mother would be angry with her for having run off once again, that her mother would perhaps smack her.

    The policeman then advised the girl of her rights according to the law, that her mother was not allowed to even lay a finger on her – only talk to her. She was also encouraged to go to the police and report her mother if ever she should lay hands on her.

    A few weeks later, the girl ran off once again and when she finally returned home late that night she was very provocative. Her mother became angry and slapped her face. The girl went to the police the next morning and filed charges against her mother.

    The mother was found guilty of maltreatment and issued a suspended sentence on March 23, 1993. Neither the Court of Appeals for Western Sweden nor the Supreme Court changed the verdict. The case was reported to the European Commission but it was declared inadmissible.

    19 – The Case of the African in Gothenburg
    (Gothenburg District Court Case no. B 4184-93, Verdict DB 856 23/11 1993.)

    A father of African origin was charged for having ‘boxed’ his 5 year old daughter on May 6, 1993. The father, a former boxer, was accused of having thrown a punch that hit his daughter under her eye, causing pain, swelling and a black-eye.

    The day-care centre reported the wounds on the child and she was immediately removed from the custody of her parents and placed in a children’s home. The next day when the parents were allowed to take her home she ran into her father’s arms. The father told the Court that he had hit out at the little girl because she was very provocative. She turned to run and stumbled over a chair.

    The little girl said that Daddy had boxed her. It should however be noted that the family speaks English at home and the word ‘box’ does not have the same meaning as the Swedish ‘boxa’.

    On October 23, 1993 the father was found guilty as charged and he was sentenced and fined for assault and battery of his daughter. He was given a suspended sentence and fined 50 day fines à 80 SEK.

    The family had suffered so much that the father did not appeal the verdict.

    20 – The Case of the young Thai widow
    (Gothenburg District Court; B 1358-95; B 13558-96 B 126/97 Court of Appeals for Western Sweden. Custody Case Ö 6606-96, District Administrative Court in Göteborg)

    On May 8, 1995, the young widowed Thai mother of four children, whose husband had perished in a restaurant fire two years earlier, was accused of slapping the face of her 14 year-old daughter and pulling the girl’s hair. The mother confessed to having slapped her daughter’s face, but denied pulling her hair.

    Gothenburg District Court found that the girl had been very provocative towards her mother and that the assault came at a point where the mother no longer could control herself. The Court found that it would be unreasonable to sentence the mother.

    On January 2, 1997, Gothenburg District Court found the mother guilty as charged for having assaulted her four children. She was sentenced to one month’s imprisonment and the court awarded the children 67 000 SEK in damages. They were all removed from their mother’s custody and placed in separate foster homes. The Court found that the mother had not been cured by the prosecution the year before.

    21 – The Case of the Tanzanian mother
    (District Court of Åmål, Case no. B 76/95; Court of Appeals for Western Sweden Case no. B 1339/95)

    On September 21, 1995, the District Court of Åmål sentenced a Tanzanian adoptive mother to imprisonment for having assaulted her nine year old adoptive daughter and putting her in room-arrest.

    The verdict was quashed by the Court of Appeals for Western Sweden on May 14, 1996.

    22 – The Bosnian Refugee Case
    (Landscrona District Court; Case no. B 163/96)

    On June 12 1996, Landscrona District Court sentenced a Bosnian refugee mother to a suspended sentence and a heavy fine, for having hit her 15 year old daughter with a belt on the evening of October 9, 1995. The mother admitted having hit her daughter. She did not appeal the sentence.

    The social authorities removed the girl from the custody of her parents and placed her in a foster home. The address where the girl was placed was held secret from her parents. According to the information in the social investigation, the parents said that the girl could move back home to them, but that she would have to follow the rules set down by them and that they were going to smack her anytime she broke any rules.

    The facts of the case are the following: The mother asked her daughter to go to the washroom in the basement of the apartment building they inhabited, to collect the family’s laundry. A neighbour took the laundry basket up to the family and told the parents that there was no one in the washroom. The girl returned home a few hours later. She had gone to see a friend.

    Her mother became angry with her because she had not done what she was told to do. After a short exchange the mother grabbed a belt hanging in the hall and hit the girl.

    At the interrogation the father asked the police what they as parents should do when their 15 year old was disobedient and misbehaving. The police advised the parents to consult the social workers!

    23 – The Eritrean Refugee case in Solna
    (Order of summary punishment (Strafföreläggande) 0257-00187-95)

    On March 1, 1995, the District Attorney in Solna, issued an order of summary punishment for an Eritrean refugee father of four, for having slapped his eldest daughter’s face. The prosecutor classed the assault as a minor offence and the father was made to pay 40 day fines à 90 SEK for assault of his daughter.

    24 – The father in Gothenburg
    (Gothenburg District Court; B 16637/97 Verdict 31/3 1998)

    On March 31, 1998 the District Court in Gothenburg sentenced a father for having assaulted his six year-old daughter. The father was accused for having slapped his daughter’s face whereby she felt pain and felt tenderness and developed a red mark on her right cheek. He admitted slapping the girl.

    According to the verdict, the assault took place on August 10, 1997 when the family was returning from their summer vacations in Värmland. Travelling in the care were father, mother and three children. The girls fussed and fought with each other in the back seat from the moment they entered the car. After about one hour they stopped to fill up the car and the girls got to stretch their legs. The girl, who normally was very calm, was the one who was leading the fuss and fight and she received most of the rebukes. When the father, disturbed by the fighting in the back seat, turned around to rebuke them, he nearly had an accident. He became upset, stopped the car, got out and slapped the girl’s face. She calmed down and cried a little. The fighting in the back seat was all over after that and the family returned to Gothenburg, safe and sound. The girl developed a red mark on her cheek. It disappeared after a couple of days.

    25 – The parents in Stockholm
    (Southern Roslags District Court; B 2549-98)

    On December 10, 1998, the Southern Roslags District Court sentenced a mother and adopted father to two months imprisonment each for having smacked their six year old daughter between January 1, 1997 and November 27 1997. The shoe-horn that was used to smack the child was confiscated. The parents were also sentenced to pay a fine to the Crime Prevention Fund and to pay 15 000 SEK (£ 1111) in damages to their daughter. The will also have to refund the State for the cost of their prosecution.

    The mother is from Spain and the father is Swedish. They belong to a religious movement called “The Potters’ House” (Krukmakarnas hus). The parents disputed the charges but both admitted to smacking the little girl. The child was always given three warnings before she was smacked. They informed the Court that the reason why they used a shoe-horn instead of their hand, is because the hand represents love, not punishment. Both parents stated that they followed the teachings of The Bible on the question of child-rearing.

    According to the verdict, the parents have decided to refrain from smacking their child because they are afraid that the social authorities will remove her from their care.

    Southern Roslags District Court wrote in its verdict, the following:
    “Children are very dependent on the adults around them, and especially their parents, to feel safety in their lives and environment among other things. That is the reason why the society must react strongly when children are subjected to ill-treatment. The ill-treatment of V has taken place in her home during a long period of time and it has been planned and systematic. Even if the injuries have been relatively slight, the deeds must be judged as assault and battery, due to the conditions we have stated above.
    Assault and battery is a crime of the sort that is punished by prison.

    To this must be added the fact that the assault was perpetrated on a child by her mother and step-father for almost one whole year. The parents seem to live under good social conditions, so there is no reason to choose any other punishment. The parents should therefore be sentenced to a shorter prison sentence.”

    The reasoning of the Court concerning the damages awarded to the child is as follows:
    “Because of the outcome of the case (the parents) will have pay damages to (the child). The assault that she has been exposed to has, upon an objective evaluation, caused her a serious violation of her personal integrity. The fact that (she) is so young that it makes it difficult to make a closer evaluation of her subjective experiences of what she has experienced, does not exclude her right to be rewarded damages for the violation. Damages for the violation is set at a reasonable 15 000 SEK.”

    The sentence was appealed but the Svea Court of Appeals confirmed the verdict of the lower court. The Supreme Court refused to try the case.

    The social authorities investigated whether or not the child should be taken into care, but the District administrative court decided that she should remain in her parents care.

    26 – The Sunne Cases I & II Aggravated Harassment – Disturbance of Peace (2002)
    Sunne District Court Case no. B 306-02

    On October 16, 2002, Sunne District Court sentenced a father to suspended sentence and 60 day fines à 70 SEK for aggravated disturbance of the peace of his two daughters born in1989 and 1993.

    “Opinion of the court
    The father has admitted that he has slapped the children with open hand on the backside, taken hold of their arms and ears and shouted and sworn at them. He has emphasized however, that this has only occurred rarely and not at all in the way or as often as the children and the Prosecutor claim. Obviously there are difficulties in a case of this kind to determine the exact nature of the offence and its frequency. The Court finds however, that the testimony of the children is supported to a certain extent by the witnesses called by the Prosecution and that it is therefore proven beyond reasonable doubt that the father, on several occasions during the time stipulated by the prosecution, has assaulted the children and violated their integrity as stated by the Prosecution.

    The Prosecutor pleads that the father should not be prosecuted for specific acts, but instead be sentenced for gross violation of personal integrity.

    The background to the introduction of the charge of gross violation of personal integrity can be summarised as follows. It can be difficult, according to the rules of the penal system, to estimate the severity of a crime in which a repeated, systematic violation of integrity is made up of acts which in themselves are petty. The penal system is based upon the judgement of specific acts identifiable in time and room. When such acts constitute a recurring pattern of harassment between unequal partners, the sentence may well fail to take into account the severity of the accumulated effect. The regulations concerning violation of integrity have been introduced to compensate for this. (See Holmqvist et al., Brottsbalken, p 4:16).

    The father is guilty of violation of integrity and various types of assault. The particular acts themselves were of a less serious nature. However, this is a question of crime committed by a father against his children, who were living in his care and who were dependent upon him. Furthermore, the crimes have been committed on a number of occasions and over a long period of time. This leads the Court to the conclusion that each and every one of the deeds constitutes a part of a repeated violation of the children’s integrity. Such a long and continuous form of cruelty to children as the father has subjected (XX and XX) (his daughters) to, is generally considered to lead to a seriously damaged self-image. The father must have been aware of this.

    The Court is satisfied that all the requirements are satisfied for a verdict of gross violation of integrity.

    The charge is proven and the father is sentenced for gross violation of integrity.

    Sentence
    The father has no previous convictions. A report about his social situation shows him to be stable. The local probation service feels that there is no need for a probation officer but suggests instead a conditional sentence with community service. The father has agreed to the recommended sanctions at the hearing.

    The father’s admission, that he used force and swore loudly on occasions when the children were fighting and would not listen to him, should not be ignored. The Court finds, taking all the evidence into careful consideration, that the circumstances of the crime are not such that a prison sentence is necessarily called for. On account of this and because there is no special reason to suspect that the father will continue these crimes, the Court has decided that a suspended sentence combined with a fine is a suitable and sufficiently severe sanction for the father.

    27 – The Father of seven in Skåne “Gross Harassment” (2003)
    Lunds District Court, Case no. B 4084-03, Verdict November 27, 2003

    On October 16, 2003, the social council in the southern Sweden municipality Svalöv decided to take seven brothers and sisters into public care. The seven children were born between 1990 – 1999. Their father had been accused and prosecuted for “gross disturbance of the peace” of his children. He was arrested and confined pending trial. The mother was not accused of any misdemeanours, yet five of the children were immediately placed in foster care. The two boys who were not taken immediately were at home because they were sick. One of them was suffering from ear-ache and fever and the other, the middle child who was born with myelocele thus an invalid confined to his wheel-chair, had only just returned from the hospital after an operation. The social workers promised the mother that they would let the sick youngsters remain with her but a few hours later they returned with an ambulance and transported them to separate destinations.

    On November 27, 2003, the father was completely acquitted in the Criminal court. However, the social council proceeded in the care case and on December 18, 2003, three weeks after his acquittal, the Administrative County court ruled in favour of the social council and against the children and their parents. On April 21, 2004, the Administrative court of Appeal in Gothenburg confirmed the ruling of the lower court. The lawyers did not appeal the case to the Supreme Administrative court.

    On June 30, 2004 the parents applied to the social council to have the care order lifted. The mother, who was then pregnant with child no. eight has had to keep out of the way of the social workers for fear that they would take the baby at birth and she has had to avoid meeting her other children. The baby was born in September 2004. In order to protect her newborn the mother moved to a neighbouring municipality, yet on January 19, 2005 the social council that decided to take the couple’s seven children into care decided to take the newborn baby into care.

    On March 8, 2005 the Administrative County Court in Malmö decided to prolong the care order for the seven children and on March 31, 2005 the same judge at the Administrative County Court ruled in favour of the social services taking the baby into care. The mother and baby were in hiding so the verdict was accepted and there was no appeal. The social services obtained police assistance and contacted all the child care centres in Sweden in search of the mother and baby, but to no avail. After one month the verdict of the Administrative County Court could no longer be executed.

    The parents appealed to the Administrative Court of Appeal in Gothenburg against the March 8 verdict. On June 28, 2005 the Administrative Court of Appeal in Gothenburg confirmed the decision of the Administrative County Court in Malmö.

    The parents appealed to the Supreme Administrative Court but their appeal was rejected.

    The parents are still (2006) fighting court battles to reunite with their children.

    28 – The American father in Borås 2003
    A father, an American married to a Swede, is suing his employers and a colleague for seditious libel. The incident took place August 2003 when his daughter – and only child – was 6 yrs old. The colleague had spoken to the little girl, who was visiting her dad at his work-place, and asked her if her Daddy smacked her. The colleague then contacted BRIS (Children’s Rights in the Society) and after that she discussed the matter with the employer. The following week the Personnel Manager made a formal complaint to the social services that my client abused his daughter.

    The social services made an investigation, but they found nothing to report to the police and no reason to take the child into care.

    The father, my client, then turned on his employers and the colleague and sued them for seditious libel. He lost the first round in the Borås District court. The case is now in the Court of Appeal for Western Sweden.

    29 – The Stepfather in Uddevalla whose 15 yr old step-daughter spat in his face (2004) Varberg District Court, Case B 701-04, verdict 2004-10-05

    The step-family was out shopping at a Mall in March 2004. The 15 yr old girl wanted to buy a DVD. Her stepfather said no. Upset by his refusal to let her buy a DVD she spat in her stepfather’s face. He in turn slapped the girl’s face and pushed her so she fell in a mound of snow. Someone observed the incident and made a police report.

    Varberg District Court found the stepfather not guilty of the charges of child abuse.

    The case was appealed to the Court of Appeal for Western Sweden where the stepfather was found guilty.

    30 – The Refugee father in Örebro (2004)
    County Court in Örebro, Case no. 2763-04 Verdict delivered 2005-02-01

    The father in this case is a UN-refugee. He fled from war in his home country in Africa and was given refugee status in Sweden. The father is a very articulate person, who knows his rights. He was accused of ill-treating his 12-yr old son, but he was not prosecuted. However the social services intervened and took his son into public care. The received a shock when the social services became interested in him. He said: “I fled from one hell in my country, only to end up in an even greater hell in Sweden. They have taken my son from me.”

    Believing that the rights that he knew were the same for everyone, the father contacted a member of the Swedish Parliament and complained about the treatment that he and his family had suffered at hands of the social workers. The MP recommended him to contact a lawyer in Gothenburg (R H-C), who he could request the court to appoint as his public defender in the case.

    In three consecutive decisions the chief justice at the county administrative court refused to appoint the lawyer that the father had chosen as his public defender – claiming that the distance between the cities was too great. When the chief justice made the first decision, he appointed a local lawyer as public defender for the father, but he has refused to even talk to the local lawyer. Since the father could not pay the lawyer of his choosing to travel to the court and plead his cause and he had forbidden the local lawyer to even utter one word at the hearing, the father had to conduct his own case.

    The court paid the local lawyer several thousand crowns for work that he hadn’t done, whereas the lawyer who defended the father received no payment from the court.

    It should be noted that it was the same judge, ie the chief justice, who delivered the verdict in the case according to which the boy should be taken into public care and placed in a foster home.

    The County Administrative court has thereby committed a gross miscarriage of justice. This case is in no way unique.

    One lay judge in the County Administrative court gave a dissenting opinion. He wrote the following.

    “The youngster has been described by the school staff as clever and ambitious but with difficulties in distinguishing between right and wrong and in listening and coping with reprimands. He has shown anxiety and difficulties in concentration in school and has on several occasions told people around him that he has been exposed to assault by the father. It has not been shown, however, that any assault has taken place. In view of the enmity existing between the witness and the father, what the witness has claimed concerning the father’s assault on the son leads to no other assessment. The father and his wife have limited economic resources and receive a maintenance allowance. The youngster is now placed in a foster home that appears to be affluent. In consideration of what has been revealed about the differences in economic circumstances, the youngster’s wish to remain in the foster home need not in itself imply that the conditions with the father are such that residing with the father is not consistent with the youngster’s best interests. The father has several times asked the Social Welfare Board for economic help so that the youngster could have the things that a boy of his age normally has, for instance, a bicycle and a cell phone. He has not received any help from the Social Welfare Board. In that case, the Social Welfare Board has not fulfilled its obligations to help the father in his role as a parent. In the case it has come out that the youngster is somewhat afraid of the father, and that there are some defects in the father’s care of his son. In view of the existing cultural differences, and since the father’s wife appears to have a certain stabilising function in the home, I find that there is no obvious risk of harming the youngster’s health or development if he resides at home. Consequently, the fact that some criticism can be directed against the circumstances in the father’s home does not, in my view, mean that it has been proved that the youngster’s health or development is at obvious risk of being harmed because of them. The conditions for taking the youngster into care by virtue of §2 of LVU (The Law on the Ward of Minors) therefore do not exist. The Board’s application should therefore be rejected.
    – In other respects, I am in agreement with the majority.

    The father appealed against the County Administrative court verdict but he lost in all three instances. His son is still in foster care.

    2. Further Eleven Cases
    11. 1981- Mål nr B 87/81
    10. 1981 – Mål nr B 703/81
    9. 1982 – Mål nr B 63/82
    8. 1992 – Mål nr 4155-1992 – The Unruly Child
    7. 1993 – Mål nr B 263/92
    6. 1994 – Mål nr B 5/94
    5. 1995 – Mål nr B 371/95
    4. 1997 – Mål nr B 13593-96 – Teacher Case
    3. 1997 – Mål nr B 715/96 + Föräldrar slipper fängelse
    2. 1998 – Mål nr B 2943-98
    1. 2000 – Mål nr B 1022-99

    3. Twelve Articles:
    1. “The Trip to Nowhere” By Professor emeritus Jacob W.F. Sundberg

    http://www.nkmr.org/english/the_trip_to_nowhere.htm
    2. “Stepparents abuse children to death more often” – in English

    http://www.nkmr.org/english/step_parents_abuse_children_to_death_more_often.htm
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    “Styvföräldrar misshandlar oftare barn till döds”, Dagens Nyheter May 12, 2006
    http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=572&a=544328&previousRenderType=2
    3. Gosta Ohmans teser och antiteser — bottom half in English
    4. Sweden’s smacking ban: more harm than good – Robert E. Larzelere PhD — in English

    http://www.christian.org.uk/pdfpublications/sweden_smacking.pdf
    5. Presentation. A Review of the Outcomes of Parental Use of Nonabusive or Customary Physical Punishment, Robert E. Larzelere, PhD – in English
    6. Discipline Bibliography Robert E. Larzelere – in English
    7. “Parenting – The Discipline Controversy Revisited” Diana Baumrind — in English
    8. “Personal Statements” Diana Baumrind, PhD – in English
    9. “En Onödig Lag” (1978)
    10. Smacking- Those Swedes must be Crazy – in English

    http://www.nkmr.org/english/smacking_those_swedes_must_be_crazy.htm
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    L’Express Fessee: ils sont fous, ces Suédois! (1979)
    http://www.nkmr.org/francais/fessee_ils_sont_fous_ces_suedois.htm
    11. How to control adults by means of ‘children’s rights’. By Lynette Burrows – in English

    http://www.nkmr.org/english/how_to_control_adults_by_means_%20of_childrens_rights.htm
    12. ”Violence against Children in Europe and Central Asia” United Nations report — in English

    http://www.violencestudy.org/IMG/doc/EuropeCAsia_report_JK_FINAL_12_Feb.doc

    Submission presented to the Select Committee by Benita Williamson


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    Here is a well-formulated oral submission presented to the Select Committee by Benita Williamson on Thursday 27 July 2006 in Hamilton:

    Oral Submission to the Justice & Electoral Select Committee
    On The Crimes (Abolition of Force as a Justification for Child Discipline)
    Amendment Bill

    Presented By
    Benita Williamson
    On 27 July 2006

    Summary of Points

    § This Bill does not solve the real problem -child abuse.

    § It will have numerous negative consequences.

    § It ignores copious independent research into other countries who have unsuccessfully tried similar legislation.

    § It is illogical and flawed law-making.

    § It goes directly against what the majority of New Zealanders think.

    § It will potentially put children at even greater risk.

    § It directly dis-empowers parents and strips them of their parental authority- something that is fundamental to a stable society.

    References

    1) http://spcs.org.nz/content/category/1/16/36

    2) TV1 internet poll (Continuous since 28 July 05) 93%
    TVNZ Website poll (13 July 06) 78%
    NZ Herald (2003 & 2005 respectively) 70 & 71 %
    Dominion Post (February 06) 82%
    Stuff Opinion Poll (16 February 06) 83.8%
    Ministry of Justice (oldest, but most thorough (2001) 80%

    3) http://people.biola.edu/faculty/paulp/sweden.html

    4) http://www.barnardos.org.nz/AboutUs/repeal_physicalpunishment.asp

    Oral Submission to the Justice & Electoral Select Committee
    On The Crimes (Abolition of Force as a Justification for Child Discipline) Amendment Bill

    Presented By
    Benita Williamson
    On
    27 July 2006

    As you will know from my written submission, I am against the Repeal of Section 59. As a mother of three, who occasionally smacks her children, I feel strongly about this on a very personal level; however, what concerns me most about this law change, is that even if I was against smacking as a form of discipline, I would still consider this to be a severely flawed piece of legislation.

    I have come to this conclusion through asking myself four key questions.
    § What is the problem we are trying to fix?
    § Does the proposed solution fix the problem?
    § What are the negative consequences of this course of action?
    § Do the potential benefits outweigh the risks?

    1. What is the problem we are trying to fix?
    The Bill states that its aim is to stop force and associated violence and harm under the pretence of domestic discipline. However, on what basis have repeal proponents concluded this is happening, when according to Mark Burton the Justice database does not record the type of defence used and as such they are unable to identify acquittals from a Section 59 defence? (1) Section 59 itself clearly states that the force used must be reasonable in the circumstances and must be for the purposes of discipline. No where does it allow for violent child abusers.

    I am aware that Sue Bradford, among others, equates any form of physical punishment as assault, however, it is not the job of our MP’s to mould the law according to their own beliefs but to serve the citizens of this country.

    Research done on NZ views towards child discipline shows consistently that the large majority of NZ’ers (2) approve of limited physical discipline of children, including a light smack. Additionally, supporters of this bill have numerous times assured the NZ public that the purpose of this bill is not to make criminals of loving parents who choose to use this form of discipline.

    These things considered, I would conclude that in answer to my first question, the real problem is not legal loopholes, nor trying to prevent reasonable physical discipline, but NZ’s alarmingly high rate of abuse of our most valuable national treasure-OUR CHILDREN.

    2. Does the Proposed Solution fix the Problem?
    Although the Crimes Amendment Bill is effective at achieving its stated goal, that is, preventing child abusers using a defense of reasonable force to avoid conviction, it doesn’t do anything to solve the actual problem: child abuse. Child abusers can be generalised into two categories:
    § Firstly, those that through lack of good example, support and parenting education, get angry, frustrated and desperate. These people are by definition, not thinking rationally therefore the possibility of criminal conviction will have no effect on their actions. If it did, we wouldn’t have any cases of spousal abuse either, considering that is also illegal.
    § And secondly, there are those who get pleasure out of inflicting harm on their victims. This group seeks to fulfill their own desires regardless of the law. Just as a pedophile still abuses children, even though that too is illegal.

    Consequently, I feel this law change will have no positive effect on the actual incidence of child abuse occurring. In fact an extensive scientific peer review of 18 separate studies (3) showed that in Sweden:
    § There has been a 489% increase in abuse of children under 7 since smacking was banned in 1979,
    § Child mortalities almost doubled over the 15 year period before and after the law change.
    § In addition, child against child assaults increased by a staggering 672%.

    3. What are the negative consequences of this course of action?
    3.1 Making criminals out of decent parents
    Despite some politicians mendacious claims to the contrary, if Section 59 is fully repealed, all forms of physical force or even threat of force against a child will become a crime.
    As with assault towards an adult, there will be legitimate legal defenses, such as in self defense or protection of property.
    Where the law will be silent is on the issue of parental discipline. As a mother I am faced daily with disciplinary issues where I am required to use force or the threat of force, such as:
    § Picking up my riotous toddler to put him in time out-which can sometimes require a considerable amount of force.
    § Physically putting my child into the car against his will when it is time to leave the playground.
    § Taking my older child by the shoulder and shutting him into his room until it is tidy- after asking him repeatedly with no response.

    These things do not make me a child abuser, yet if Section 59 is repealed, I will be breaking the law on a daily basis.
    Proponents of the Repeal, say that it’s just a technicality and the police aren’t actually going to convict someone like me. Maybe that is true, but this is seriously flawed logic:
    -They are taking something that is legal, widely used, and in the case of
    time out, actively encouraged;
    -then changing the law to make it ILLEGAL;
    -but then saying that they are not going to uphold that law anyway!

    Let’s be honest, that is just poor law making, surely we can do better?

    3.2 Wasting valuable Police and CYFS resources
    For the police to choose not to prosecute someone like me, it will still be necessary for them to investigate, putting extra pressure on an already stretched police force.
    Alternatively, they could hand it on to CYFS, whose policy is to remove the child first, then investigate, which if a false alarm, has the potential to cause much more psychological damage to that child than the initial smack or force used.
    As a result, the most tragic consequence of all would be that the Police and CYFS, faced with a huge increase of workload, would potentially miss the children that are genuinely in danger.

    3.3 Destroying Parental Authority
    The long-term consequences for NZ children and society as a whole are also very serious. Supporters of this Bill argue that in our modern democracy we do not want to intimidate the population into obeying laws and regulations; rather, we want them to understand the reasons for the laws and to comply with them because they agree that the law is sensible (4).

    This is a wonderful concept; However, it’s plain common sense that although we would like everyone to obey the law out of respect and understanding, and most people do, we wouldn’t expect our police force to function without guns, handcuffs and prison cells to enforce those laws?

    Even Pilots and Ship Captains are granted authority under the law to use physical force, on adults and children alike, to maintain order onboard their craft. All these people are put in positions of authority, and just as we wouldn’t expect them to do their jobs without the necessary systems to effect their purpose, so too we cannot expect parents to do their important job effectively without the law to back them up.

    To remove a parents right to limited physical force strips them of their ultimate authority. If children do not first learn respect for authority in the home we cannot expect them to grow into functional members of society, with respect for their teachers, employers, the police and the law.

    4. Do the potential benefits outweigh the risks?
    In my mind No; this Bill is a classic example of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

    I implore you to consider carefully, is this really the best possible solution we can come up with or just 1 possible solution?

    It has been argued, that other options such as defining reasonable force will be too complicated; Well then, I leave you today with 1 last question:

    Are we willing to let our children be guinea pigs for social science because coming up with a better solution was put in the ‘too hard’ basket?


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    Here is the link to a brilliant oral submission presented by Carey College (principal, Michael Drake):

    http://careycollege.com/education/Oral%20Submission%20Full.pdf

    Oral Submission to the Justice and Electoral Select Committee on the Crimes (Abolition of Force as a Justification for Child Discipline) Amendment Bill – Presented by Barbara Smith

    28 August 2006

    Summary of Points

    I am a 24 hour a day parent. Our family is a father, mother and 8 secure children
    2. The worst abuse of children is in the womb
    3. Foster care and Sweden—Ruby Harrold-Claesson’s visit to New ZealandAbuse in 4. Abuse in Sweden has not gone down since the law changes in Sweden
    I fear for my Grandchildren in Section 59 is repealed in New Zealand.

    1. I am a 24 hour a day parent. Our family is a father, mother and 8 secure children. We are being blasted in the media about “Family Violence”. I take exception to this. By and large this violence is not happening in the natural family. Please see what I mean by natural family in Appendix A “Principles on Family” from the Family First Lobby’s website: http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/files/FAMILY%20FIRST%20PRINCIPLES%20on%20Family.pdf and in my original submission to the Select Committee where I talk about being a full time Mum 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It is not “Family Violence”— It is “Household Structure Violence” or “Composite Family Violence” that you need to be concerned about. Please note the Analysis of British data by the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C. which shows that compared with the intact married family, serious child abuse is: 6 times higher in the step-family; 14 times higher in families with single mothers (divorced and single mothers combined); 20 times higher with de facto biological parents; and 33 times higher where the mother cohabits with a boyfriend. That is, there is a 3,300% more chance of child abuse happening in a “Household Structure” where the mother cohabits with a boyfriend than in a “Natural Family” of mother, father and children.

    Bob McCoskrie of Family First mentioned in a media release on 26 August 2006 the following:
    “The CYFS report released at the end of last month highlighted statistics showing that children living in households with an adult unrelated to them were almost 50 times as likely to die of an inflicted injury as those living with two biological parents.
    According to a study published in 2005 in the journal Pediatrics, researchers from the University of Chicago and the University of Missouri found that young children who live with their mothers’ boyfriends or other unrelated adults are 48 times more likely to die from child abuse than those living with two biological parents.
    And Canadian Researchers found that Preschool children in stepfamilies are 40x more likely as children in intact families to suffer physical or sexual abuse. They said that stepfathers are far more likely to assault nonbiological children than their own natural children.”

    There is no need to Repeal Section 59 to get rid of “Household Structure Violence” or “Composite Family Violence” . This kind of violence is already against the law.

    Please let natural families who are doing a great job of training their children continue to do so without fear of being charged with a criminal offence and having their secure and loved children taken away from them by keeping Section 59 of the Crimes Act.

    2. The worst abuse of children is in the womb
    We have a Children’s Commissioner, Dr Cindy Kiro who is doing nothing for any baby/child in the womb. She says that her job begins at the birth of a child. I showed in my original submission in the UNCROC preamble and Articles 1, 2, 6, and 24 that the unborn should be a concern of the Children’s Commissioner. Dr Cindy Kiro should be sacked for ignoring the gross violence occurring every day of every year in this country to at least 17,000 children yearly.

    Repealing Section 59 will not stop the roughly 12 child murders a year happening in New Zealand. It hasn’t in Sweden and it won’t in New Zealand. This is “Household Structure Violence”.

    Repealing Section 59 won’t stop the most gross of all child abuse in New Zealand—the nearly 18,000 abortions.

    These are the areas that need to be worked on, not the law abiding conscientious natural family.

    Please keep section 59 as it is.

    3. Foster care and Sweden—Ruby Harrold-Claesson’s visit to New Zealand
    Ruby Harrold-Claesson’s visit to New Zealand reinforced what I wrote in my original submission that the law would lead to prosecutions of parents who employed mild physical sanctions, while doing nothing to reduce the number of cases of genuine child abuse. Children are removed from their supposedly “abusive” parents and taken into care, they suffer far worse in care than they ever did with their own parents through the separation from their parents and siblings and are exposed to the risk of real abuse. Ruby Harrold-Claesson says “The damage caused by this legislation is so serious that it should not be followed by any civilised country. Rather, Sweden needs the help of other nations to have this destructive legislation repealed.”

    Or our own Select Committee on CYFS confirms a fear we have about CYFS
    That regardless of any criminal action they take independent action if they believe a child is in need of care or protective services: http://www.clerk.parliament.govt.nz/Content/SelectCommitteeReports/ssvotecyfs06.pdf

    2005/06 Estimates Vote Child, Youth and Family Services
    Report of the Social Services Committee

    Section 59 of Crimes Act 1961
    Section 59 of the Crimes Act 1961 refers to the use of force towards a child by way of
    correction. Regardless of any criminal action, the department takes independent action if it
    believes a child is in need of care or protective services. Thus, the section does not prevent
    the department intervening directly with a family if this is deemed appropriate.

    Also from the Transcription at the bottom:
    Scott: Can I have a sup on that. I just want to ask what the department’s opinion
    is on section 59.
    Dyson: The department doesn’t have a view on section 59.
    Scott: What I want to know really is does that defence cause difficulties for the
    department? Do people use that defence? Do they know it’s there even, or
    does it not register?
    Tyler: Our work is quite different and we take a look independent of any other
    statutes, whether or not according to the definitions in our Act the child is
    in need of care or protective services. Regardless of any criminal action, we
    will take action independent under our statute. So that can never be used as
    a defence.
    Dyson: So the recent case would not stop Child, Youth and Family intervening
    directly with that family, if Child, Youth and Family determined, under our
    criteria, that it was appropriate. It is irrelevant what the correct decision is in
    terms of intervention.
    Scott So it’s totally separate what happens with the police as to what happens
    with Child, Youth and Family?
    Dyson Yes.

    This is scary stuff. If section 59 is repealed this could be a nightmare for some families. As a 24 hour a day Mum in a traditional family not a “Household Structure” or “Composite Family” it scares me that CYFS might hear an anonymous tip about a false report of violence in my family. CYFS could come and take my children until I am proven innocent then they may or may not return my children determined on a crystal ball about whether they think my children are safe or not. Our family does not fall in the “Household Structure where the violence is highest”. We are a loving, caring family seeking to train and correct our children so that they will be good law abiding citizens.

    Which leads me to Judy Turner who has been seeking support for a CYF complaints authority. Apparently she has had many “faxes, phone calls and emails from people keen to tell their story and frustrated that there is nowhere for them to go to ask for justice.” It seems we already have problems in this area and it looks set to get worse if Section 59 is repealed.

    4. Abuse in Sweden has not gone down since the law changes in Sweden
    This is not so. Ruby Harrold-Claesson showed us that the number of children dying from abuse in Sweden has remained consistent and possibly is a little higher. Sweden started out with low figures of child homicide. New Zealand is starting out with high child homicide cases. Repealing Section 59 of the Crimes Act 1961 will not have an effect on the child homicide numbers in New Zealand. If anything they may go up. Child homicide is already against the law as is child abuse. People who abuse/kill there children are not stopped by laws so repealing Section 59 will make no difference to these people. I am sure that you will have the paper put out by the Children’s Commissioner on 26 July called “Child deaths and serious injury as a result of assault in Sweden and New Zealand.” This is a good paper to have. It is appalling the amount of abuse that is done to children in this country. But what Ruby Harrold-Claesson was trying to say to the Select Committee and to MPs in New Zealand is that the average number of children dying from abuse in Sweden a year has remained roughly around 7 since the law changes and that this figure has NOT decreased as the advocates of repeal of Section 59 in New Zealand are saying will happen in New Zealand. Infact in Sweden it may be rising. Sometimes there are up to 12 deaths in a year according to some statistics. So far in the first 4 months of this year in Sweden there have been 4 child homicides.

    I fear for my Grandchildren if Section 59 is repealed in New Zealand.
    In this PC gone wild world I fear for my grandchildren and future generations. We are feeling the results of some bad policy changes over the last 100 years. This must stop. This bill to repeal Section 59 of the Crimes Act 1961 is one of the worst against families that we have seen. This generation must rise up and call for this to be stopped at the Second Reading of this Bill. We need to get back to the traditional family which is the cornerstone of society. We need to help reduce down the “Household Structures” where violence is such an everyday occurrence. Children need a father, mother, their siblings and their extended family. Anything else is confusing for children especially where there are others in the household who are not there for the children’s sake but for the pleasure of other adults. Let us make laws to favour the traditional family not any old “household structure”. I am a 24 hour a day Mum to 8 children. I know what I am talking about when it comes to training up and correcting children—I feel infinitely more qualified than someone who has been to University and studied Social Policy. I know my children inside out and I know that I am the best Mum for them. I don’t want you or CYFS to have my children.

    And then just before I close I would like to make one more point:

    In EPOCH’s media release of 24 August 2006 they say “During the debate about whether or not to repeal s.59, some New Zealanders have expressed a fear that decent, loving parents would be criminalized for minor physical punishment of their children, if s.59 were repealed. That fear was based on an assumption that parents who smack their child would be reported to the Police and that every report would result in a prosecution.“

    This can be likened to speeding on New Zealand roads. Is it illegal to go over 100 km per hour. Yes it is. Do New Zealanders travel faster than 100 km per hour? Yes they do. Do they all get prosecuted? No they don’t. Only the ones that are caught or reported on. Do Police have blitzes to crack down on speeding. Yes.

    This would be the same if a parent lightly smacked their child if Section 59 is repealed. Parents will continue to smack their children. Will they all be prosecuted? No, definitely no. Will some be prosecuted? Yes, definitely yes. If some are brought to the notice of the Police then they will have to prosecute and it will be a crime in the absence of Section 59 which could mean up to two years in jail. But even worse than the parent being put in jail is the fact that CYFS would most likely put the children in foster care. This is violence that we cannot tolerate. Reasonable force is not violence. But taking children from parents who have used Reasonable Force to correct their children is violence.

    So please make your recommendation to Parliament to drop the repealing of Section 59 and to leave Section 59 as it is. It is a brilliant piece of legislation. Those who drew this up are to be congratulated on writing a piece of legislation that has lasted through the years and one that does not exclude anyone’s worldview. The New Zealand Public is expecting this Repeal of Section 59 NOT to be passed.


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    Wednesday, 14 June 2006, 10:05 am
    Press Release: Steven Dromgool

    A summary of my presentation to the Select Committee on the Repeal Section 59
    Good intentions no excuse for bad law
    I have been overwhelmed and encouraged by the debate surrounding the proposed bill to repeal Section 59 of the Crimes Act (the anti-smacking law)
    The consensus is clear – as a nation we are disgusted and appalled by the frequency with which we read about another child being beaten until dead or half dead (most often by a mother’s boyfriend or step-parent). We want this to stop or dramatically decrease. The repeal Bill has been presented as a panacea to this problem.
    Unfortunately these kinds of bills have been passed in other countries and the results are clear. They do not reduce or prevent serious child abuse or death – in fact a proportion of deaths occur because parents delay getting medical help because they fear having their child removed. Child abuse in Sweden (which has the most long-standing anti-smacking laws) actually rose following the introduction of their anti-smacking law. Most concerning however is 672% increase in youth on youth assault during the period from 1981-1994 which is massively higher than any comparable country without the anti-smacking laws. In effect where there are no consequences to bullying or hurting other children (such as the fear of physical consequences) why stop bullying. Sweden has a higher child abuse rate than the United States (references are Lyons & Larzelere, 1996).
    More importantly Sweden has a fantastically high rate of child removal – over 4 times our current rate. Children taken into care are exposed to neglect and abuse and the disruption of their natural attachments to their parents which is essential for their emotional health. Typically because of foster care shortages they are placed in family homes along with other hard to place children including children who have sexually abused other children or have extreme violence or behaviour problems. The psychological damage to children who are removed is extreme and must be seriously contemplated as a cost of removal. Children who are damaged in their attachment capacities are more likely to be violent or sexually abusive – so what occurs is a perpetuation of a cycle of violence.
    Sue Bradford has recognized the public’s concern about parents being prosecuted and has provided assurances that this would not happen however the police have clearly stated in a letter to Craig Smith the National Director of Family Integrity that if Section 59 was repealed then, “smacking of a child by way of a corrective action would be an assault…the Police in investigating such cases would consider the amount of force used … an aggravating factor in any such decision may be the fact that a child is generally more vulnerable than an adult.”
    Clearly this says that the police would be bound to treat smacking for discipline as prima facie assault (as would be physically carrying a child to their room for – “time-out”. Time-out is illegal in Denmark which has a similar law to Sweden.
    The fact is that children’s vulnerability to serious abuse is closely aligned to family breakdown. It has no or a negative correlation to appropriate physical discipline according to empirical peer-reviewed research. If we wish to make it clear that flogging a child or slapping them around the head is not appropriate then what is required is an amendment of section 59 to define reasonable force as proposed by United Future’s Murray Smith and Gordon Copeland. Good intentions are no excuse for bad law. Repealing Section 59 will actively harm New Zealand families and our children as such I cannot stand by and support it in the name of political correctness.

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    Monday, 12 June 2006
    I agreed to feed back comment to you about
    some of my impressions of the hearings.

    1. Human Rights Commission: There was considerable comment about
    the need to enshrine the UN charter on the ‘rights’ of a child,
    particularly Article 19 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child –
    protect the child from all forms of physical violence. There was
    comments how the UN Committee against Torture noted in its report that
    New Zealand allows violence against the child through having section 59
    Crimes Act in place. The Commission also spoke about ‘general comment
    8’ which links corporate punishment to violence in the community leading
    to the proposition that if you stop corporal punishment, you will lessen
    violence in the Community.

    Other speakers said that leaving s 59 as is would be contrary to human
    rights legislation. There was comment that the intentions of the Care
    of Children’s Act (2004?) was also at odds with leaving s 59 as is.

    Others like Richard Northey (Peace Foundation) spoke of positive
    initiatives in schools such as child mediation systems and SKIP
    initiatives in the community.

    There was significant discussion linking smacking (as violence) to
    violence in the community. Most of this is without scientific back-up
    except, by way of example, the following.

    Not all people driving cars have road accidents. All road accidents
    involve driving. If you want to stop accidents, stop driving. Its that
    sort of logic.

    2. Every now and then a member of the Committee would say something
    like the following during presentations from individuals opposing the
    repeal of s59 of the Crimes Act – “what I hear you saying is that it is
    alright to use smacking (physical force) on a child of 2 years, say,
    with no understanding of the consequences of their behaviour. Tell me
    if it then alright to smack an older person / adult who also has no
    understanding of the consequences of their behaviour (i.e. incontinent
    Alzheimer’s patient).”

    3. The Chair of the Committee (Lynne Pillay) spoke to a number of
    individuals (interestingly, many fathers) that she heard their concerns
    about the threat of prosecution if the bill was passed. She went on to
    say that she wanted to address those concerns by saying that the
    Committee was going to sit down with police and look at establishing
    guidelines for police to follow as the police already have the
    discretion about prosecuting individuals now. The inherent danger here
    is that ‘guidelines’ can be changed by orders from ‘on high’, whoever
    they may be, and that there would be no debate / consultation with the
    community.

    If the guidelines were legalised there would have to be a debate to have
    them changed, as we are with the bill to repeal s59 Crimes Act. The
    guidelines could just as easily be changed to say “zero tolerance” to
    any form of physical correction to a child.

    Discretion does not come into it, just ask any person ticket recently by
    police traffic units when travelling at 111 k/ph in a 100 k/ph area, or
    if the media advertising is to be believed, travelling at 56 k/ph past a
    school in a 50 k/ph area!

    4. Some parents were commenting about their concerns about CYFS.
    Sue Bradford told submitters that this was missing the point and that
    the debate was about using physical violence to discipline children.
    She then went on to say that we (parliament) were already aware of the
    issues with CYFS and action is being taken to address these. On
    reflection, though I ran out of time to comment on this, Sue is missing
    the point. CYFS is a dysfunctional organisation which has legislative
    responsibility to protect children in New Zealand. I am particularly
    concerned that a dysfunctional organisation is going to police
    functional and loving parents / homes and no amount of words from this
    present parliament is going to alleviate those fears.

    5. Another observation that I made was that most organisations
    appearing before the Committee were pro the repeal (with some notable
    exceptions – Christian churches) but that most individuals were for the
    status quo as the words ‘reasonable’ protected the child and were
    subject to review by a judge / jury.

    6. I also ran out of time to comment on Section 22 of the CHILDREN,
    YOUNG PERSONS, AND THEIR FAMILIES (RESIDENTIAL CARE) REGULATIONS 1996,
    PART 2 – LIMITATIONS ON POWERS OF PUNISHMENT AND DISCIPLINE. Please
    note that this is contained in a regulation and not part of the higher
    level statute.

    This gives the state agency – CYFS – authority to use physical force in
    certain circumstances. The repeal of Section 59 will deny parents the
    same protection.

    22. Use of force in dealing with child or young person-

    (1) No member of staff of a residence shall use physical force in
    dealing with a child or young person in the residence unless that member
    of staff has reasonable grounds for believing that the use of physical
    force is reasonably necessary-
    (a) In self defence, or in the defence of another person, or to
    protect that child or young person from injury; or
    (b) To prevent that child or young person from damaging any
    property; or
    (c) To prevent that child or young person from leaving the
    residence if not authorised to do so; or
    (d) To secure the containment of that child or young person in
    secure care; or
    [(e) subject to section 384H of the Act, for the purpose of
    carrying out any search authorised by section 384C or section 384E of
    the Act.]
    (2) Any person who uses physical force for any of the purposes referred
    to in subclause (1) of this regulation shall-
    (a) Use no more [than the minimum amount of force that] is
    reasonably necessary in the circumstances; and
    (b) Record in the daily log the details of the use of such
    force, and of the circumstances giving rise to its use.

    (3) No member of staff of a residence shall in any circumstances
    threaten to use physical force against any child or young person in the
    residence unless the actual use of physical force by that member of
    staff against that child or young person in those circumstances would be
    permissible pursuant to subclauses (1) and (2) of this regulation.
    – J.S.

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    8 June 2006
    Went along and said my pennyworth today

    Committee were: Lynne Pillay (L) Chair, Anne Hartley (L), Sue Bradford )G), Nicky Wagner (N), Chester Burrows (N).

    Pro people were herded through together but separately – con people put through together separately

    Very few questions from the committee

    The committee very favourable to the pro repeal of S59 side.

    Listened politely to the dismiss the bill side.

    Michael Drake put in a good submission.

    More time allowed to those who made larger submissions I think.

    10 minutes each usually.

    Women’s group and Maori group were pro repeal.

    Didnt establish the necessity of repeal though in my mind – just stated it.

    Maybe the best line of attack.

    Regards

    D.A.

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    9 June 2006
    Yesterdays 10 mins was interesting . I did not do the light switch idea as it didn’t seem appropriate.

    I listen to a submission before and 3 after. 2 for, 2 against.

    The committee are very interested in the fors, but not the againsts. The silent treatment is all opposers will get from all except the Nats. It is not a neutral environment by any means.

    One of the For submitters where Amokura Family Violence Prevention Consortium (or similar). They formed in 2003 and have been working with their communities researching issues. They believe there are other ways to correct children that do not include smacking. I spoke to them afterwards. One of there team is a lawyer. They did point out the necessity of education and assistance being required to make these changes, that it was not a fast process etc. etc. I’d like to spend some more time with them to try and understand better the issues.

    From my brief exposure I make the following observations.

    Men are more highly represented opposing the Bill. Women are more highly represented in speaking for it.

    There are two camps re smacking.

    The no place for smacking – there is a better way, this is harmful and violent, contravenes child rights etc.
    The healthy smack is OK and within the law and not harmful.
    There are two levels of exposure to violence against children.
    The healthy majority, middle NZ side, like you and I, who know the difference between a smack and violence and abide by the code of Sect 59.
    The unhealthy, violent offenders, disfunctional families, largely Polynesian and Maori who are indeed outside the code of Sect 59.
    There is likely a genuine area of concern for this last mentioned group using Sect 59 as a defence and getting away with it. This is more complicated due to codification, etc. etc. all of which is outside my experience and knowledge level.
    It may be, that some improvement in the law is required to correct these problems. A family court lawyer would a be a good sounding board to understand this better.

    There is an awareness that CYFS is not highly regarded in the community and indeed feared by many.

    The committee sees the ‘them’ and ‘us’ as Christians vs the rest. They also see division in thinking between churches.

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    I spoke on the ‘Aint broke, don’t fix it’ theme. That Sect 59 is good law and recognizes the role of government that is parents have. That it is force that holds things together. That removing Sect 59 removed the power to parent as a parent saw fit. That this was a right being taken from parents. I detected some sensitivity to using the word ‘right/s’. Maybe more could be made of this term.

    The aspect of the law that is not being considered by the pro’s is the consequences of removing Sect 59. NO consideration of the term force is actually given by the Pro’s. They simply interpret this as hitting, aka violence. They are in my opinion incredibly naive and arrogant about the application of law. No concession is made that ANY exhertion of effort against resistance is in deed force, as per the Crimes Act, and therefore parenting is inherently a forceful act.

    M., made the point that CYFS will become the Social Police – a totally scary proposition and probably unacceptable to almost everyone.
    The select Committee will definitely recommend the Bill proceed. The vote will 3 for, 2 against and it will go to the vote. It will either fail or pass by a couple of votes. I’d lobby Chandri NOW!

    I’d direct my lobby efforts to the politicians who are definites and sitters. Do you have such a list.

    Some how we need to find a king hit position.

    My real fear is that removal of S59 will open up a huge flood of difficult/complex problems for law enforcement. Problems that have NO easy answers. Problems that in real terms are NOT causing Harm or Violence to children.

    All interesting stuff. Now for some work… to provide for my children.

    Cheers.
    P.& M.S.

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    9 June 2006
    Just wanted to let you know that we went around 5pm yesterday to present our submission to the select committee here in Auckland.
    We thought it went very well and everyone we heard speak was totally against Sect 59 being removed.
    It seems there have been a lot of submissions as it looked like the committee had been there all day.
    We praise the Lord for giving us the courage to do this and giving me the words to say as the whole idea of speaking before the committee in person had terrified me. I truly knew the Lord’s strengthening and encouragement.
    Your articles in Teach and pamphlets on the issue were very helpful in making our submission. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into these.
    Yours in Christ,
    K.V.

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