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    Riding Crop Case

    Open letter to the Prime Minister from the Timaru lady:
    http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/2007/03/open-letter-to-prime-minister-from.html

    YouTube part 1:
    http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/2007/03/criminalising-parents-nz-style-timaru_10.html

    YouTube part 2:
    http://familyintegrity.blogspot.com/2007/03/criminalising-parents-nz-style-timaru.html

    Larry Baldock CIR update 5:
    “In the now famous case of the Timaru woman who used the ‘horse whip’ (riding crop which means a piece of leather much like a strap.) the young boy had tried to hit his step father in the head with a baseball bat. Now in a few more years the boy would find out that such action would result in a criminal offence and probably result in a jail sentence especially if the step father had not managed to deflect the blow. At 13 however he is not subject to the Crimes Act in the same way as adult, so the responsibility fell upon his mother to correct him, which it seems, according to the jury who heard all the facts, she did reasonably. According to the recent media reports she still does not have her son back from CYFS, despite being acquitted.”

    From Barbara Smith’s Submission to the Select Committee:
    http://www.FamilyIntegrity.org.nz/page/865552

    Hi Barbara, please feel free to use this (Appendix A) if you like.. it may be good to add the following:

    The state solution to produce good behaviour is to medicate my son, with RISPERDAL. (Check out the side effects of this. You will be shocked. This drug has been banned for use on children in the states because of its side effects) but the state insists that he take this every day to modify his behaviour.

    Funny when a smack on the bottom which has no long term side effects sufficed to bring about a change in behaviour for the better.

    State ideals-
    remove child from secure and happy family environment and medicate the child till he is a zombie..

    Parental ideals-
    give a smack on the clothed bottom if necessary and have a happy … balanced child!!

    Which scenario truly represents abuse??? HMMM.

    My son is now permanently emotionally scarred not from the discipline but from the trauma of being removed from his family who love him and he loves.

    THE STATE is abusing my son and I can do nothing to stop this. How may other parents will face the same if s59 is repealed?? The state is undermining parental authority.

    Appendix A
    Hi Barbara,
    I am the woman who disciplined her son by using a cane and a riding crop. the following is a copy of an interview with Bob Mc Coskrie on Radio Rhema. Please feel free to forward this to anyone you wish who may be able to make use of this, or you may publish it on your website. just please do not publish my name.. kind regards ……………………………….
    What were the circumstances that led to the charges?
    I have five children and have spent much of the past fifteen parenting alone, though I have recently married a loving Christian man. Trying to juggle on my own between holding down a full time management position and home life and parenting was not an easy task.
    My son had a medical condition as a young child which prevented him from receiving the normal smacks on the bottom a naughty toddler would receive from a loving parent.
    What was the medical condition your son had?
    My son had a transient form of Oesteogenesis Imperfecta, a type of brittle bone disease, which affected the collagen structure of the bones for first years of his life. This has no effect on him now.
    My son therefore has had behavioural problems for a number of years.
    These were exacerbated by him playing off his well meaning Grandmother, who lived close by, against myself. She unwittingly supported his bad behaviour through negative rather than supportive intervention.
    For example if i gave the child time out by putting him in his room when he had been abusive to one of his siblings he would jump out the window and run to her house which was close by, telling her only what suited him and she would arrive on the doorstep and verbally abuse me for putting him in his room without even taking the time to find out what had preceded this.
    If I tried to tell her, or the other children tried to tell her she would make excuses for his behaviour. This led to a boy who became very difficult to control.
    Late last year I was working in conjunction with the school and a psychologist through some plans to assist with managing my sons behavioural problems.
    It is of note that my other children are all relatively well behaved , displaying what I would describe as normal childhood naughtiness
    Tell us about the incident with your son
    I had a call from the school to tell me that my son had deliberately kicked a hole in a toilet entrance door. There were two entrance doors to this particular cloakroom, one was always open and the other locked. Although it was only two meters to walk to the unlocked door my son and another child saw fit to kick the locked door until it opened.
    If you recall, school doors they are big, heavy things and it would take some considerable and deliberate force to kick a hole through one of these wearing only school shoes.
    What was the date you were called to the school and how old was your son at that time?
    My son was twelve years old. I think it was 22 October 2004.
    My son refused to carry out the schools discipline. The deputy principal told me when she called me he had sworn at her when she attempted to get him to write the school rules. She sent him out to the front gate of the school for me to pick him up to take him home to discipline him.
    On the way home from the school I talked to my son about his behaviour and told him it was not acceptable and that I expected him to behave properly and respectfully at school. I told my son that I loved him and that because of his very bad behaviour I had to discipline him. I bent him over the table and gave him six whacks on his trousered bottom with a small bamboo cane.
    Could you describe a little more the small bamboo cane?
    It is about the thickness of my little finger and between 12 and 18 inches in length. The type you use to stake a small pot plant.
    What happened then?
    He apologised for his behaviour and I reassured him that I loved him but disliked the behaviour. He told me he wouldn’t behave like this again and we I then took him back to school, where he complied with what was required of him there.
    What was the reaction of your husband?
    My new husband had a generally good relationship with my son. He had been a “buddy” for him appointed by the family to get alongside the boy for outings and companionship and to enable me to have some respite. It was though his contact with my son that our relationship began. My husband has a closed head injury from an accident some years ago.
    Then what happened?
    About two weeks after the school incident my son was asked to assist my husband bringing in firewood for the night. He took exception to this simple request and did not respond well to my husbands encouragement to help. He picked up a baseball bat and swung it full force at my husbands head screaming that he would give him permanent head injuries. Fortunately my husband was able to block the blow and disarm the boy. If my husband had not seen the baseball bat coming, the consequences could have been dire, as the impact to his head could have seriously maimed him or even killed him.
    I felt I needed to discipline my son for this severe behaviour and looked for the cane, but could not find it. I saw the riding crop close by and thought that will give him a short sharp sting and then administered discipline with that.
    Could you describe a little more the riding crop?
    It is about 18 inches long and approximately as thick as my little finger with a rubber handle at one end, and a small leather flap at the other end that is about half an inch wide and one and a half inches long.
    Why didn’t you use your hand?
    I had spent some time praying about my sons behaviour and read through scripture and felt as a result of that that I had a responsibility to pull my son back into line quickly and effectively before he got into more serious trouble, in a manner which dealt with it on the spot instead of a punishment which dragged on and even showed a lack of forgiveness. I felt his behaviour called for something more than a smack on the bottom.
    ( Bear in mind if he had done either of these things as an adult he would have been likely put in prison. I think if any prisoner was asked if they would prefer a whack on the bottom with a cane or a crop to his sentence he would gladly agree to the discipline)
    The cane and crop both give a short sharp stinging sensation which is memorable but not injurious. I have tried this on myself. The discipline was entirely controlled, over with very quickly and was very effective. AFTERWARDS he gave me a hug and apologised.
    What was the effect of the discipline?
    FROM this point on the boys behaviour changed radically for the better. We had a happy laughing cheerful child who was obedient and a pleasure to have around.
    We had regular monthly meetings at the school to discuss my sons behaviours and progress with a social worker from special education services and attended that months meeting as was planned.
    The deputy principal opened the meeting by saying there had been a huge improvement in my sons behaviour at school and asked how things were at home. We told her we had experienced the same.
    The SES worker then asked what we thought had bought about this change for the better and I told him about the incidences of the discipline. This do gooder went purple and nearly fell of his seat. He told me I was not allowed to discipline in this manner, that it was against the law even to smack.
    I told him he was wrong, that there was no law against this and that the discipline had worked. I said that my Christian beliefs supported my actions.
    Even though the school acknowledged the radical change for the better in my sons behaviour this do gooder contacted CYFS.
    Two social workers from CYFS arrived AT MY PLACE OF WORK, some two weeks later and in a very high handed and officious manner insisted on “interviewing” me in front of my staff and members of the public , telling me I was abusing my child. They clearly had made up their minds that this was the case before even talking to me.
    They refused to leave my workplace, even though I was due to finish in an hour, and told them I would be happy to discuss this with them at home after work. They kept on insisting that it was against the law to hit a child, including smacking, and quoted violence begets violence.
    I told them that my behaviour was controlled and appropriate for the situation, and their interview in my workplace was not appropriate. When they refused to leave, I left work myself and drove away as I was managing a tourist attraction and it was entirely inappropriate for them to even attempt to conduct an interview there.
    The socialworkers took exception to my abrupt ending of their power trip and rang the police. They filed to the family court, without even investigating fully the circumstances of discipline and with out offering the family any support , an exparte order seeking interim custody for my son, on the grounds that he was being physically abused.
    The exparte order meant we were not even informed they were doing this and we had no right of reply to defend it.
    The court awarded CYFS interim custody of my son, based on the hearsay of one social worker alone and without calling evidence to substantiate the social workers claim.
    The department then uplifted my son, maintaining abuse, and the social worker set on a path of character assassination of me because, I believe, I offended him by refusing to discuss the matter in my workplace or back down and admit abuse (which of course had not occurred).
    The social worker then set on a campaign to get the police to prosecute me in order to bolster his claims of abuse. The Police came and interviewed me and it was clear to me during the interview that the police officer was supportive of my actions.
    When were charges laid?
    Charges were not laid for some five months after the interview and as I understand were laid with a great deal of reluctance and under pressure from CYFS.
    When the Police officer bought me the summons he was apologetic and he told me about section 59 and how it allowed for reasonable force in the circumstances. He suggested to me that I had a defence under this section.
    Why do you think you were acquitted
    I did not give evidence at the trial and called no evidence in my defence. The prosecution witnesses clearly showed in their evidence, that this was a boy who was exhibiting extreme and irrational behaviour and needed to be quickly bought into line.
    Why did you not give evidence at the trial or call evidence? did you have a lawyer?
    Yes I did have a lawyer. He cross examined the prosecution witnesses over the course of the trial. As their evidence was very compelling that this was a boy out of control in his behaviour and that the discipline was controlled and effective there was no need for me to give evidence. The jury decided the case based on the evidence provided by the prosecution alone.
    The evidence presented by the prosecution showed that the boys behaviour changed for the better after the discipline.
    The jury clearly thought that UNDER the circumstances presented BY the prosecution, the boys behaviour was out of control and the discipline which bought him quickly into line was reasonable.
    The jury had people from all walks of life including grandparents, professional people, mums, dads and even a school teacher. They reached their unanimous decision within an hour.
    What are the media not reporting OR distorting about the facts of the case?
    The media immediately picked up on this and threw a negative slant in their news coverage. labelling this abuse even though it was proven not to be.
    The media has downplayed my sons radical outrageous behaviour and has focussed on the method of discipline for such as having been inappropriate the circumstances, irrespective of the circumstances which led to this discipline and the fact of the jury finding it not to be an assault.
    Some members of the media have openly verbally attacked the jury and their decision, but only the jury and those in the court room saw the case presented as a whole and their juries decision was reached upon all the relevant information the PROSECUTION presented.
    Was there physical harm to your son as a result of the cane?
    It has been said in the media the discipline produced welts on the boys legs. The evidence in the court described a mark on my sons upper leg as a small linear red mark, from the use of the cane which was not apparent when checked again. This is hugely different from a welt. There was no evidence of any marks from the riding crop.
    I thought it was reported as a horse whip?
    The media has changed the term riding crop to a horse whip. Horse whip conjures up visions of a long stock type whip, where in fact a riding crop is a small item, about 18 inches long and is designed to give a short sharp sting with no seen physical effects. Even though the evidence showed to the contrary, the media have claimed this was a beating. The discipline was controlled and effective.
    Some of the media have also espoused views held by my 19 year old son who is now living away from home. He holds anti smacking views. Many of the things he has claimed are distortions of the truth, inconsistent with fact and widely exaggerated. My eldest son was not part of the court proceedings. The trial by media which followed the court decision, was based on his unsubstantiated claims and has lacked balance and truth to say the least. If what he said was of any relevance to the prosecution in this case I am sure he would have been called by the crown prosecutor to give evidence.
    Your 19 year old son holds anti-smacking views. Why?
    I have had two previous marriages which were both extremely violent. My first husband kicked our small dog in the head popping its eye out of the socket and later stood on the childrens kittens tail and tried to rip its head off. He was convicted in court on this cruelty. He was also very violent to myself and our children, and on one occasion when I put the children in the car and tried to escape he punched the car windows in shattering glass over the children and me. CYFS (or welfare as it was then) assisted me and the children in relocating to another town to flee his violence. My second husband, who was mentally ill ( a fact I didn’t know of when we married ), went to prison for attempting grievous bodily harm on myself and my daughter where he attacked us with a knife and then kicked into my head repeatedly with steel capped work boots and assaulting the other children. I left him in 1996 when he was imprisoned after living with him for not more than 10 months of our married life because of his ongoing violence, (we married in 1994) and I divorced him in 1999.
    I attended a women’s course in 2000 to help break the cycle of family violence and in particular the choices women make in partners and why, and this was a life altering experience. I learned to recognise the character qualities in men who are violent and seeing those I was subsequently able to make more positive choices. As I went through the course I realised that I had suffered from battered woman’s syndrome.
    Renewing my faith has greatly strengthened me and changed my attitudes and self image and has bought me the wonderful, loving, non violent Christian man I am married to now.
    It is fair to say that my eldest son witnessed a lot of things a child should never have to and holds me entirely to blame for this. He has gone as far as to falsely accuse me of some of the things my ex-husbands did.
    Our family has had to go through a healing process as a whole and this process if far from complete for my eldest son, whom often felt responsible in some way, even though I reassured him it wasn’t his fault and there was nothing he could have done.
    I feel that because he has witnessed violence to the extent he has, and the violence he was subjected to by my ex husbands, that he taken the view that any hitting of any kind constitutes violence.
    My eldest son and I had a falling out over me not approving of him spending school nights at his girlfriends at the age of 16, and me feeling that her influence was less than positive on him, and his reckless driving of the car I had bought him. Despite numerous approaches from myself seeking conciliation and healing he has pursued a path of hate and blame which deeply saddens me, because all though there were bad times with my ex husbands there were many many good times after I had removed us all from those situations.
    My other children’s attitudes are very different from his. I have excellent relationships with all of them, and we are free and able to talk about all manner of things. My 18 year old daughter describes me as her very best friend, but also respects me as her Mum. She is a mature and responsible young woman who holds down a responsible job.
    Was he smacked?
    Yes my eldest son was smacked by me and only if his behaviour warranted it. The discipline he received from me was either non physical or was with a smack of the hand on the bottom or on the hand with a what we called a smacking spoon. Generally speaking he was a good boy. When he was 15 or 16 he had bullied one of the younger children and was rude to me when I told him not to. I gave him the choice of discipline, either a smack or grounding and he chose the smack cos it was over and done with quickly.
    What other methods of discipline have you used?
    I have always used a number of methods to discipline my children which have included a warning, an apology, time out, loss of privilege, and smacking. This depended on the nature of what had occurred. I only ever had used a cane or a riding crop to bring into line very extreme behaviour and it worked when nothing else did. The media has branded me a violent angry uncaring woman who should be whipped herself. To the contrary, I love my children and want them to become responsible adults whose life reflects personal discipline and respect for others.
    The mainstream media say that my behaviour was unreasonable and abuse irrespective of the court decision. I say to them they do not know my son or his behaviour or even the full circumstances and are not in a position to judge. This was not normal childhood naughtiness, it was outrageous over the top behaviour, and I would further challenge those who have said this that given the same circumstances they would definitely discipline along similar lines.
    The commissioner for children has become involved and is relying on the above mentioned distortions of truth in mainstream media as being fact, in this case, to push for the repealing of section 59. I wonder if the commissioner has children of her own, and if so how does she discipline them?
    What have been your dealings with CYFS
    Cyfs have failed to offer constructive support for a badly behaved child in his family situation. When I asked the social worker if there were any effective alternatives to the wide variety of methods I have used to modify my sons behaviour, both physical and non physical , he could offer NO ALTERNATIVES, but still told me what I was doing was wrong, even though it had been effective!! The social worker told me it was not his role to provide me with this type of information. Neither did he have any literature to recommend to assist with alternative methods suitable to CYFS to address my sons behavioural problems.
    I have found CYFS to be highhanded in their dealings, having a particular mindset and a zeal to prove abuse even if it has not occurred, which they will look neither to the left nor right from.
    Even though the court of law has ruled an assault did not occur, CYFS are refusing to return my son to me on the grounds he was assaulted. Even though I have given them an undertaking (against my beliefs and in an effort to have my son returned home where he wants to be), not to discipline him in this matter again they are refusing to return him because they maintain he is likely to be abused, as at one point I said I would simply smack his bottom instead with my hand if he needed it .
    Do all CYFS workers operate on this policy
    I have spoken to four different CYFS social workers about smacking and they all hold and maintain the belief that it is against the law to smack children. That smacking constitutes violence and violence begets violence (their favourite quote). I have been told it is their POLICY to REMOVE children from the care of parents who smack to discipline. They will not advocate smacking in any form. I have pointed out that this is contrary to the law which allows for reasonable physical discipline and have been told that this is not relevant, that the department has an anti smacking policy and maintains the right to uplift and hold children who are being disciplined this way.
    The implication of this is that their policies are ABOVE the law and that they have exclusive right to make law for their department irrespective of the law of the land.
    Because I offended the socialworker initially by walking out on the interview he tried to conduct at my workplace, he has begun a personal witch hunt and character assassination which has become far removed from the issue at hand which is the interests of my son and his right to be reunited with his family who ,irrespective of his behaviour, love him.
    The social worker has twisted and distorted comments made by family members to suit his own agenda. He has even on occasion deliberately lied even claiming my son had said things when he interviewing him which my Son was very clear that he had not said.
    It is also of interest that he carried out an interview with my son without my knowledge and without offering him any adult support- which is in direct breach of the act.
    This social worker has put an application before the court for a declaration in respect of two of my other children on the grounds that they “could be at risk of being abused” even though these children and family members have made it clear that this is not the case.
    We were all very excited when I won the court case because CYFS had indicated my son would be returned if I won. My son was looking forward to coming home, and we had made lots of plans.
    After we won the court case the social worker rang the care giver and told him my son was not allowed to come home with me and I was not to be picking him up. He further told the caregiver I was not allowed to see my son.
    He also as recently as last week physically tried to prevent my son from talking to me on the phone by trying to snatch away the phone as it was passed by my sons caregiver to my son. I over heard him yelling “I SAID NO”. This action frightened my son so much that he subsequently ran away from the social worker and rang me from a house where he felt safe. The person who owned the house described him as obviously frightened and crying.
    The social worker has denied me access to my son, without having a court order to support this, and even though I have had extended unsupervised access to him previously this year, which have included him staying with us for several days at a time and not wishing to return to his caregiver.
    This social worker has used untrue allegations made by an extremely violent and abusive ex husband, from whom the department helped me shift some 15 years ago, against me, in his affidavits to the family court.
    The social worker has even stated at one point that I am an evil woman because I stood with my hands on my hips and glared at him. Am I expected to be pleasant smiling and happy because he has wrongfully removed my son from my care? Get real.
    The social worker has also told my son that I broke the law disciplining him the way I did. This has not only undermined my parenting in front of my son but it has caused a lot of confusion to my son.
    Where is your boy now?
    My now 13 year old son is living with a relative
    Have you had any other involvement with CYFS
    What is truly interesting is that I have provided respite care a CYFS client in 1992, I was appointed by CYFS to supervise access for a family friend in 1997, and have had two 17 year old youths who were under CYFS supervision boarding with me in 1999 and 2003 with the permission of their respective social workers. This hardly would have happened if CYFS felt I was in any way abusive.
    Have you done any work for cyfs since 2003?
    No and I need to clarify that I was not employed by them, but rather approved by the social workers involved in the individual cases to take care of or supervise these other children and young people.
    What was the family court system like?
    The family court system is farcical to say the least. The words of social workers are taken as completely true and the family court always supports CYFS in their exparte applications for interim custody and children are subsequently removed from their homes on suspicion alone. Many children remain in CYFS custody for years because the parents do know how to fight the system or run out of finances to do so, or give up because they can no longer cope with the huge stress of dealing with CYFS and the wiles of the all to powerful social workers.
    When CYFS take a matter to the family court they seek what is called an application for declaration and a family group conference is called for. The declaration for care and protection they seek and the way it is worded at a family group conference it could relate to any child in any given situation in the country and misrepresents the true meaning of the declaration.
    Why did you agree to the declaration?
    We were bullied into agreeing to the declaration by being told that if we didn’t agree the court process would be drawn out for years during which time my son would be kept in CYFS care.
    What have been the costs?
    We have had to fight a costly battle, both emotionally and financially, for my children and have only an average chance of succeeding because even though the court of law shows abuse did not occur, because too much weight is placed by the family court on the OPINION of the social worker even if it is not reasonably held. Too bad the one we have does not like me- and this is so often what it boils down to.
    So far this fight has cost about $10,000 and it is still not over.
    What does your son say about all this?
    My son is begging CYFS and his family court lawyer to come home (this surely would not be the case if he considered himself abused?) and we are begging to have him here and they refuse outright saying that the family court process must follow through.
    LAW HAS SAID AND A JURY HAS FOUND I HAVE NOT DONE WRONG AND THEREFORE IT FOLLOWS MY SON MUST BE RETURNED HOME. CYFS should have withdrawn their applications immediately upon the ruling of the jury and they have not. They should have retuned my son home and they have not. How can this be? CYFS are flouting the law in doing this.
    Nothing has been done at all to strengthen this family. CYFS have failed to uphold their mission statement. “Strengthening Families” is baloney.
    Do you know of other families in similar circumstances?
    I have personal knowledge of another local family where the husband was accused of abuse by CYFS, He was ordered out of the house by CYFS. As I understand the situation, CyFS insisted on charges being laid and the police withdrew the charges through lack of evidence, but even so, this family is still fighting in family court for custody of their daughter and restoration of their family. Their social worker, who is not the same one as our case gone on a personal mission to prove abuse when it has not occurred. Something has to be done to stop power hungry social workers in CYFS from dividing and separating families rather than supporting them und upholding the family unit.
    Where to from here?
    I will continue to fight for my son through the system.. could listeners please pray for a release of finances to cover legal costs so far…and for a sensible decision in the family court and the restoration of the family.
    I will also fight to draw attention to the unfairness and unlawful actions of CYFS workers who operate above the law. The purpose of CHILDREN, YOUNG PERSONS, AND THEIR FAMILIES ACT 1989 says in its primary objectives that the act is intended to (a) To advance the wellbeing of families and the wellbeing of children and young persons as members of families, whanau, hapu, iwi, and family groups. and (b To make provision for families, whanau, hapu, iwi, and family groups to receive assistance in caring for their children and young persons.
    This is not happening in our society.
    According to what CYFS social workers have told me CHILDREN ARE ALREADY being removed from their families because parents have smacked them or might smack them. The average New Zealander is not aware of this and awareness of such needs to raised as CYFS is operating ABOVE the law. Their actions in removing children in such a manner definitely do nothing to promote the wellbeing of the family and the children.
    It is important that the parents right to smack is upheld.
    No child has ever been permanently maimed or injured ,to my knowledge, from a smack on the buttocks or indeed from a cane across the buttocks. Children who are undisciplined grow into undisciplined adults.
    The USA have discouraged physical Discipline for a number of years now and all this has served to raise a generation of young people who push their boundaries to the extent that we regularly hear of schools and churches rampaged by young people wielding weapons and going on killing sprees. Dr Benjamin Spock who promoted anti smacking thinking. his own son is reported to have committed suicide.
    In Great Britain smacking has been discouraged and the result of such is programmes like Little Angels which is currently screening on television one where the children are absolutely out of control.
    The studies of Sweden which have been well aired on Rhema recently show the anti smacking law there has failed.
    In Australia where smacking is now frowned upon the rate of criminal activity amongst children and youth is skyrocketing. Dr Christopher Green who wrote about his non physical theories for “toddler taming” had no children at the time he wrote this and yet his work is esteemed in an anti smacking society as being positive parenting.
    We as a nation must stand up against what is happening in this country. We should not let the unsubstantiated opinions of MINORITY groups be pushed into our law books.
    I remember sitting in on a court hearing once relatively recently where a youth had gone on a rampage smashing car windows and the judge spoke to both him and his father who was attending. He said “Young man you lack discipline, and If you were my son I know what I would be taking you home to do right now and I suggest your father does this!”
    What do you think of s59 allowing reasonable force in discipline?
    I want to actively encourage parents to call for a public referendum on the repealing of section 59, I believe the section needs to be defined not repealed. I believe that this section is being wrongfully used in some circumstances, ie a beating with a four by two or a chain, punching or hitting around the head is not in my view reasonable. Controlled discipline using a smack on the bottom, a cane or similar or a leather strap administered to the hand or buttocks can be entirely appropriate in a given situation.
    Repealing section 59 will mean that even a simply hug offered to an unwilling child constitutes assault, as will a gentle shove towards the bedroom when the child doesn’t want to go, a smack on the bottom will be a chargeable offence and parents can and will be charged with assault for such and their children will be removed from their care.
    I will defend a parents right to reasonably discipline their child through the writing of letters, emails, etc .
    I would like to encourage all listeners who believe that loving reasonable physical discipline is the right and Godly thing to do to write to their MPs and further to all members of cabinet ( their email addys are available on www.govt.nz) calling for a referendum.
    I also respectfully suggest that our Prime Minister, as good as her intentions may be, is not a parent and therefore not in a position to make a fully qualified decision about what is appropriate parenting behaviour. I would also be interested in knowing whether Sue Bradford ever smacked any of her five children.
    Were either Ms Clark or Ms Bradford or any of the other politicians who help make our laws smacked on the hand or the bottom as a child? Did any get a whack with a cane or strap at home or school? Did this permanently impair them in any way or make them an unbalanced or violent adult? (side note not part of interview- maybe you could poll the politicians asking them this Bob???)
    If we remove discipline from our society moral integrity and respect for others will disappear.
    This fight is not one of flesh but of principalities and powers and it is time for the Christian nation to rise up and say enough! Stop this madness.
    I have been praying against the spirit of apathy which has been over many Christian people in this nation who even though they see the wrongs taking place in this country do not rise up and take action against them. I will pray for families to be strengthened and for govt departments like CYFS to work to strengthen them. I will pray for a move of God on the hearts of our nation to reveal truth and highlight the folly of the nations ways.
    I pray daily for my family that it will be restored and that all those who have been involved in this case in any way at all will be blessed and will come to know God and gain salvation through his Son.
    I would like to encourage listeners to do the same and after praying, start writing letters, get on the phone, email and contact newspapers, television and our political leaders calling for a referendum on section 59, opposing the repealing of such and upholding a definition of reasonable force. If listeners believe smacking is an effective and appropriate discipline stand up now and be counted before it is too late.


    From Maxim’s written submission to the Select committee

    http://www.maxim.org.nz/files/pdf/submission_crimesamendmentbill.pdf

    (For the rest of the Maxim written submission click on the link above. To see the notes for this click on the link above.)

    THE PROBLEM OF INCONSISTENT APPLICATION/MISAPPLICATION OF SECTION 59

    86. Advocates of repeal of section 59 often argue that the provision should be repealed because it leads to inconsistent and contradictory results, and a particular problem seems to be perceived with some jury verdicts.84 There are a number of points that need to be made in response.
    87. Firstly, the perceived inconsistency may be more apparent than real. Judges have established a set of principles applicable to such cases which is generally very consistent. To the extent that results differ in different cases, this is likely to reflect the reality that the factual matrix in every case will be different, so that differing amounts of weight should be given to the same factor in different cases. This makes simplistic comparisons, focusing only on one common factor, dangerous. Thus, for example, a common factor such as smacking, may in one case be protected by section 59 (as in Re M (children)85) and not protected in another (as in R v Donselaar86). These results are not inconsistent when the degree of force used is taken into account.
    88. Secondly, it is very difficult to know exactly why a jury reaches its decisions.
    This is particularly the case when an acquittal is given and no appeal is lodged. In that case, there is likely to be no document produced that records the evidence placed before the jury and on which its decision may have been based. When an accused is convicted, there will at least be the presiding judge’s sentencing remarks to give an idea of the possible basis of the jury’s decision, and the weight that the judge saw fit to give to various factual elements in imposing sentence. However, the opacity of jury verdicts means we should be very cautious before querying a jury’s decision, as we will not often have access to the same information that the jury did in reaching its verdict. It should also suggest extreme caution in relying on media reports of jury trials.
    89. Thirdly, we should not lightly attack the jury system. For centuries, the jury system has been a leading characteristic of common law criminal procedure.
    It has great value in maintaining public confidence, and public interest, in the administration of the criminal law. It has great symbolic value as a cherished constitutional safeguard.87 Its importance is recognised by the provision, in section 361A of the Act, of jury trials as the normal mode of criminal trial. It should be noted that in section five of this submission, Maxim Institute does stipulate its support for an amendment to ensure that where no reasonably instructed jury could find the accused to have been reasonably justified in his or her application of force, the Court would be required to direct a conviction.
    90. Fourthly, the perceived problem of inconsistency and uncertainty is inherent in the application of any law to complex fact situations. As the Supreme Court of Canada has noted:88
    Legislators can never foresee all the situations that may arise, and if they did, could not practically set them all out.
    It is thus in the nature of our legal system that areas of uncertainty exist and that judges clarify and augment the law on a case-by-case basis.19
    91. Even if there were some merit in the argument about inconsistency and uncertainty, the remarks of the Supreme Court of Canada are again highly relevant:89
    However, ‘[t]he fact that a particular legislative term is open to varying interpretations by the courts is not fatal’. … The issue is not whether [the equivalent Canadian provision]has provided enough guidance in the past, but whether it expresses a standard that can be given a core meaning in tune with contemporary consensus.
    The fact that borderline cases may be anticipated is not fatal … ‘[I]t is inherent to our legal system that some conduct will fall along the boundaries of the area of risk; no definite prediction can then be made. Guidance, not direction, of conduct is a more realistic objective.’
    92. As the Supreme Court’s judgment suggests, there will always be borderline cases where reasonable people may reasonably disagree about the verdict given in a particular case. It must be accepted that this will inevitably be the case; that is the nature of decision-making. The existence of decisions or verdicts about which reasonable people may not agree, whether convictions or acquittals, is therefore not a reason to repeal section 59, where the repeal has the potential for negative consequences for parents and families and would introduce unworkable law.

  • Media

    To read an excellent article on the Smith Family’s own story in a recent issue of The Listener click on the link below:
    http://www.listener.co.nz/issue/3463/features/7079/love_correction.html>

  • Letters from Commissioners of Police – Smack/Reasonable Force

    TWO SUCCESSIVE POLICE COMMISSIONERS HAVE AFFIRMED THAT, SHOULD SECTION 59 BE REPEALED, WHAT HAS BEEN PREVIOUSLY CONSIDERED TO BE REASONABLE FORCE FOR THE PURPOSE OF CORRECTION, EG. SMACKING, WILL BE CONSIDERED ASSAULT BEFORE THE LAW, AND HENCE, OPEN TO PROSECUTION. Click on link below to see their responses:

    c-with-c-of-police.pdf


    police-on-correction.pdf

  • Marc My Words: The NZ Family R.I.P

     

    Marc My Words: The NZ Family R.I.P.

    Marc My Words… 4 August 2006
    Political comment

    Scoop

    The NZ Family 1999-2006 R.I.P.

    The last seven years have not been good for the Kiwi family. Despite huge budget surpluses, increasing employment opportunities and the creation of yet another bureaucracy supposedly aimed at helping families, the prognosis for our bedrock institution is far from rosy. The sad reality is that there has been an unprecedented attack on the family to the detriment of our shared future. Unfortunately the full consequences won’t be obvious until much later as the intergenerational impact is unfolds. It is no accident for example, that the rise in social indicators of crime and violence, welfare dependency, falls in educational outcomes, breakdown of community cohesiveness, increasing youth and senior citizen suicides coincided with policies back in the seventies which undermined the traditional modus operandi of families. While many of the policies were brought in for the best of reasons the same excuse cannot be said for the last seven years.

    Much of the recent assault has been through a subterfuge calculated to undermine the status and value of marriage by affording every other form of relationship as of equal worth. Supporting such diversity without discernment however, is no more than an elevation of unequal and contrary alternatives without consideration of worthiness. What we have seen is the devaluing of the nature and purpose of family by a government that is inexorably supporting all relationships irrespective of their merits in sustaining our historical traditions and culture. It is one thing to give help to those who need a feasible way out of damaging relationships – particularly when children may be involved – but it is something else again to dock the economically viable family structure simply to subsidies less resilient relationships, presenting them as similarly valid. For a start, there will be no end for the need to further subsidise them, in part because their economic consequences will be hidden by a process that will, in itself, undermine the economic viability of the traditional family.

    The real reason why the present Labour government loathes the institution of marriage is because it competes with it. Traditional families always were the primary socializing agency whereupon the lifelong welfare (in its truest meaning) of each individual relied. Family incorporated parents, children, grandparents, aunts, uncles and even close friends. Who didn’t have an unrelated but much loved family friend referred to as Auntie?

    Family was the foundation of community. Prior to the advent of government contrived social security agencies, the family took care of itself. And those which couldn’t relied upon their community.

    During times of particular hardships, some families benefited from non-government charitable organizations which acted from a sense of civic duty and social obligation. It is an indictment upon our present times that such an ethical responsibility to society has been all but forgotten under the so-called progressive welfarism of successive governments. It’s last dying gasps are still with us in the many wonderful community organizations still trying to do what governments cannot: give community its sense of spirit and cohesion. The trade-off however has been an unmitigated disaster: the rising tide of government intrusions into our lives has accompanied a corresponding decrease in our collective ethical considerations towards our social obligations.

    Not long ago we had every incentive to look after our families. Our emotional as well as financial well-being depended on it. We cared well for our children and our parents knowing that in due course we ourselves would be cared by them. Abusing either implied consequences that directly affected us. So too we did our bit to help neighbors and our wider community seeing our obligations as a fair exchange for the benefits which outweighed them. Having good values meant reciprocity of compassion and kindness in discharging our civic duties. Quite simply you took care of those who in turn would take care of you. We had a direct vested interest in being good citizens.

    Government stepped in and changed all that. In return for voter loyalty it no longer mattered how you treated your family or your community – you were looked after regardless. Gratitude for individual compassion slowly gave way to a sense of entitlement and with it, the ethical nature of responsibility ebbed. Parents no longer needed to do their best for children because no longer did their future depend on it. Neither did they have need of the cohesion of their community. Government soon entrenched itself into the very fabric of individual, family and community relations providing perverse incentives to look upon it as the main arbiter of how life would run its course. No longer were we dependant on our families and communities but now the government. Through its welfare agencies dependence eroded the strength of families and in so doing destroyed the culture of social responsibility just as it has the ethic of work for reward.

    I suppose it’s a fair question to ask why this Labour government should shoulder much of the responsibility. After all, it came to the Treasury benches in 1999 inheriting much of the welfare policies cumulatively responsible for the processes outlined above. While much of the damage to our social foundation was well underway before 1999, the years since have seen an unprecedented onslaught embedding and extending policies that have redefined the nature of family and entombing its traditional purpose into oblivion.

    We rid the notion of culpability in a marriage failure as though it doesn’t matter. It does. While we shouldn’t drag every personal failing into the light of public scrutiny, the conduct of individuals actually does have bearing on who is awarded custody of the children or how the material worth of the union is to be divided. How can it not? The alternative is to absolve responsibility for our own actions, and no interaction should ever escape that.

    Families provide stability and to argue, as some have, that form and function can somehow be pried apart – that they can be mutually exclusive concepts – is to argue that kiwis can fly at least in principle. It is a nonsense worthy of the likes of the Labour frontbench academics. Not all mothers or fathers are born equal, and some shouldn’t be, but one thing is clear: no government can ever hope to replace their roles. Parenting should never be left up to the legislative discretion of a Labour Party elite that eschews having children themselves. Committees can never replace the flesh and blood realities of childrearing.

    In the last seven years more families than ever before accept handouts from the government. Calling Working for Families a targeted tax break is disingenuous precisely because it does not relate to work effort but governments largesse to reward certain families above others. In at least one way it pays those families with the most future voters in that income bracket. It is a cynical deceit whereby a decreasing population is proportionately required to contribute to an increasing proportion of dependant Labour voters. Small wonder so many are flying across the Tasman.

    The stratagem of denying the material consequences of marriage, and the obfuscation of its form by advancing unsustainable alternatives places the indulgent desires of reckless adults ahead of the contribution of family; an institution which has protected society against the worst excesses of governments. We now have one in four children born out of wedlock as a result. Can we really be surprised at the social costs? Kids with little appreciation of what a family is? The rising deficiencies in social integration, cohesiveness, and purposefulness? This Labour government has exceeded all its previous incarnations in subsidizing family breakdown (the abuses of the Independent Youth Benefit for example). Or what about Minister of Courts Rick Barker who announced a plan to spend $6 million on a new initiative called ‘How to Help Your Kids When You Separate’? It is all an admission of failure.

    The family has always been a target of Labour socialists specifically because it promotes resilience, self-reliance and shuns the encroaching power of the state. The family has throughout history been a repository and incubator of individual freedom – and that is something the present government is ideologically opposed to. After all, how could any government compete in imparting its vision on those who have the strength and capability of forging their own?

    And that’s what it’s really all about.

    ENDS

  • Let’s change Section 59 by adding clear definitions of what unreasonable force is

    Question:
    Let’s change Section 59 by adding clear definitions of what unreasonable force is, so that this section of the Crimes Act could never be used to excuse child abuse.

    Answer
    Section 59 is never used to excuse child abuse. That’s why it was formulated and placed in the Crimes Act in the first place. The idea that Section 59 is ever used this way is a spin used by Sue Bradford and other repeal lobbyists. Judges and juries are perfectly capable of discerning abuse from “reasonable force used by way of correction.” Section 59 even flexes in harmony with changing social attitudes. Section 59 is brilliant just as it is. It gives parents just the amount of authority they need to train and correct their children without giving them license to harm. If Section 59 was repealed, parents would lose their authority over their children (authority with no power to back it up with force is no authority at all). In addition we’d be left with a Section 2 definition of assault which will make every parent guilty of assault several times a day!

    (Section 2 of the Crimes Act reads: “Assault” means the act of intentionally applying or attempting to apply force to the person of another, directly or indirectly, or threatening by any act or gesture to apply such force to the person of another, if the person making the threat has, or causes the other to believe on reasonable grounds that he has, present ability to effect his purpose.

  • Feedback and Responses re. Family Integrity’s Stance

    Sent: Tuesday, 2 May 2006 10:50 p.m.

    I am totally disappointed that you do not see children as human beings,
    vulnerable ones at that, with the right to protection from violence. So, an
    adult hits another adult, they are undisciplined! An adult hits a child,
    and they are disciplined! Your argument does not add up. Just because a
    person is an adult, doesn’t mean that they are necessarily disciplined, or
    better than a child.

    Have you not heard of communication amongst persons? Wouldn’t this be a
    better primary course of action in raising a child than violence? You seem
    obsessed with the fact that parents should have the right to ill-treat their
    children. A real worry you are!

    – Correspondent

    Reply – Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:59 PM

    Dear

    Thank you for your feedback.
    Please let me allay some of your concerns, if I may.

    We definitely do see children as human beings, in fact as being made in the image of God, and not as mere animals who have evolved to a higher intelligence – thus we see them as having a soul/spirit.

    In addition, we agree with you that they are extremely vulnerable, with the right to protection from violence – that is why we at Family Integrity are strongly opposed to all child abuse, especially the torture and murder of babies inside the mother’s womb ie. abortion (the ultimate in child abuse!).

    Furthermore, we only advocate the exercise of discipline on children, whether physical or other, when it is done with SELF-discipline by the parent. When discipline is done out of anger, or vengeance, or frustration, or annoyance, on impulse, arbitrarily, without age-appropriate explanation to the child of the reason for the correction, we would classify that as abuse. If the parent is out of control him/herself, and is out to punish the child, not out to correct the child, and is not using discipline for the child’s well-being, but rather for self-serving reasons, we see that as parental abuse of the child. When the discipline is punishment for the child’s inevitable expressions of immaturity such as accidents, indiscretions, errors of judgment, irritating hyperactivity or being boisterous and silly, it is abuse.

    We advocate the use of physical correction where the child is misbehaving in the matter of any of the 4 Ds ie. dishonesty, disrespect, destructiveness, and disobedience. The aim of corporal correction is to enable the children to become self-disciplined in these four areas of attitude and behaviour. Self-discipline is something that children do not naturally have, and it can only be effectively instilled in them by means of firm, disciplined, measured, love-motivated, physical parental discipline, accompanied by clearly understood explanation, followed by affectionate affirmation.

    Such discipline should always be done in the context of a loving, affectionate relationship between parent and child. Children respond well to such discipline. They tend to grow up psychologically, spiritually, emotionally, relationally and generally physically healthy.

    Yes, good communication is vital in bringing up our children, but on its own it will never train children to be self-disciplined people who truly care about others and about what is right and true.

    The Bible tells us that those who do NOT give their children the physical discipline they need are acting against their child’s best interests, and so can be said to “hate” their child : ” He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is careful to discipline him.” – Proverbs 13:24

    For a fuller treatment of the differences between abuse and proper corporal correction please see the brochures posted on our website.

    I hope this gives you a clearer understanding of what we are advocating/defending. We are against the ill-treatment of children, but we do not believe physical discipline as explained above is ill-treatment/abuse/violence/harmful for children.

    Sincerely
    Ed Rademaker
    Administrative Assistant
    Family Integrity

    Sent: Monday, 12 June 2006 6:55 p.m.

    Dear Ed,

    Sorry, but I cannot agree with you. You do not hit those you love. Smacking IS child abuse. Biblical times were very brutal, and thankfully we have moved on from then. I don’t think Jesus advocated the hitting of children, rather he said, “suffer the little children to come unto me”. Hitting children destroys the relationship between parent and child, teaches violence and precipitates violence between adults.

    – Correspondent

    Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 2:51 PM

    Dear ,
    The same Jesus who said, “suffer the little children to come unto Me,” also said, through His Holy Spirit-inspired book,

    ‘and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons,
    “MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD,
    NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM;
    FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES,
    AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES.”
    It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?

    But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate children and not sons.

    Furthermore, we had earthly fathers to discipline us, and we respected them; shall we not much rather be subject to the Father of spirits, and live?

    For they disciplined us for a short time as seemed best to them, but He disciplines us for our good, so that we may share His holiness.

    All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.’

    (Hebrews 12:5-11; emphasis added)

    Proper godly discipline of our children (as I outlined in my previous email) is for their “good”, and “afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness.” The angry- undisciplined-self-centred-lashing-out-with-a-back-hander-across-the-face-with-no-explanation-type punishment that constitutes real abuse is the sort of treatment that produces undisciplined, violent and angry kids, full of hatred and self-centredness. We see more and more of such children in our societies today, but then, there are more and more parents who ignore what the Bible says about child-rearing, and abuse their position of power and authority over their children for their own self-serving ends.

    What you assert as being the product of all and any corporal correction (you call it “hitting”, but that describes an action and motivation different from smacking or corporal correction as I understand and have practised it) does not fit with what the Lord says in His Bible; and neither does it fit with real life experience. I know personally hundreds of families where the children are or have been brought up with spanking as a main method of correction, and the children love their parents, have a good relationship with them, and the children are well-behaved, respectful of those in authority, and definitely are not violent in the way they relate to others. And certainly this is true of the children of those of us who work at Family Integrity, including my own – and we have children that range from baby, through adolescence, through teenagehood, to adulthood, in ages.

    My point is that you cannot make absolutes out of your own experiences or opinions in this matter. You imply it is wrong to smack children. My question to you is: on what objective moral basis? In other words, “who says it’s wrong?”

    We at Family Integrity believe it is right and wise to bring our children up with loving corporal correction, not because this is our opinion, but because the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the God who created you and me and all children, says that this is what we ought to be doing. As a purely secondary consideration, our experience and observations over our own life-times, and our reading of history, show us that what God says in the Bible about this matter is right and true and marries well with reality.

    We are not trying to impose this view on others, but others are trying to impose their view and practice on us, and it is to this that we strongly object. We are fighting for the freedom to live as we believe God wants us to live. We also believe we have in the Bible the answers to our society’s present woes, but we cannot force anyone to accept that. All we can do is communicate it and seek to practise it consistently ourselves.

    I hope this gives you a better idea of where we are coming from.

    Sincerely

    Ed

    Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:33 PM

    Dear Ed,

    Oh, last time I saw someone smack a child,.it sure seemed to me they were HITTING them! You cannot deny that smacking is hitting.

    . Wasn’t it silly old Solomon, mysogynist and polygymist, with so many children he couldn’t look after them properly, who said “spare the rod, spoil the child”. He needed a good feminist kick up the backside, that guy!

    Our society’s moral code says it is wrong to hit people, and children are people. Therefore, it is wrong to hit children.

    People (the general populace) MUST interfere in cases of child abuse. Children are extremely vulnerable, and need to be supported. This is the only way we are going to do anything about eradicating child abuse.

    – Correspondent

    Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:03 PM

    Dear ,
    I could debate with you further about the difference between “hitting” and biblical corporal correction, but I have already explained that. You seem determined to have only one picture in your mind concerning this – perhaps you have never seen or experienced anything other than physical abuse from parents, and I would not want to deny the reality of what you have witnessed, but that does not mean that it constitutes the whole of reality. I have seen and experienced something quite different, and it was anything but abuse.

    You wrote: “I really don’t believe that God wants us to hit our children.” – Which god are you talking about? Because it certainly isn’t the God of the Bible you are referring to. While the God of the Bible, the only true God who exists, doesn’t tell us to “hit” our children, He does tell us that we ought to use the “rod of correction” on our children, something different to what I understand you to be referring to when you use the word “hit.”

    And you won’t find “spare the rod, spoil the child” anywhere in the Bible, although it has a lot of merit as a commonsense adage. If you haven’t already read it for yourself, may I encourage you to read the whole Bible for yourself rather than just go by what others have told you about it.

    As to “our society’s moral code says it is wrong to hit people, and children are people. Therefore, it is wrong to hit children.” – recent polls in New Zealand show that at least 80% of our society believe that it is right to smack (not “hit”, not “abuse”, not “use violence”, but “smack”) children (I am sure it would be similar in Australia) – surely such a majority (otherwise known as “the general populace”) would qualify to determine what “our society’s moral code says.”

    And since we are speaking about what our society’s moral code says, are you as concerned to stop abortions as you are to stop the “hitting of children”? After all, our society’s moral code says that it is wrong to mutilate and maim and murder people, and children inside their mother’s womb are people. Therefore, it is wrong to mutilate and maim and murder children in their mother’s womb – according to your own reasoning. And which is worse, “hitting” or “mutilating , maiming and killing” children?

    But again I ask, on what objective moral authority or basis do you say, or does any society say, that smacking children is wrong? Societies can be very subjective in their values, and moral codes can change from one generation to the next, and from one country to the next. Who says which one in reality is right? They cannot all be right, otherwise we would have to say that actually there is no absolute right or wrong. Then, the best anyone can say is, “for me it is wrong or it is right,” and leave it at that.

    But we at Family Integrity do not believe that that is how things are. The God of the Bible created all that exists, and He has determined what is right or wrong for all mankind, since He made us and has the right to say how we should live. And He has caused His laws to be written down in the Bible. The Bible says that all men/women (including you, Kathy) know this is the truth, deep down in their hearts, but that they don’t want to acknowledge it, or give thanks to God for their existence and for all that God gives them. Because people don’t want to obey God; because they want to be their own little gods, and want to decide for themselves how to live, they deny the existence of the God who made them, and instead make gods out of things, out of man himself (or woman herself), from their own imaginations making gods with whom they are comfortable, gods that are amazingly like themselves.

    But that doesn’t change the reality of the situation. To say, “I am my own god, and I will determine how I live, and what is right or wrong”, or to have a whole society say,”We are our own gods, and we will determine how we live, and what is right or wrong,” doesn’t alter the truth that God had already determined, well before we came on the scene, the standard of right and wrong. And neither does it change the fact that God has determined upon a day that is coming in which He will judge and condemn and punish as guilty all those who, in their creaturely arrogance, choose to defy and disobey Him.

    There is only One who can save us from the judgement that is certain to come, and that Person is Jesus Christ. I need Him and you need Him, because without Him there is no hope for us, we are doomed for ever. That is a fact!

    Yours sincerely
    Ed.

    Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 2:17 PM

    Dear ,
    One further point about your comment “You cannot deny that smacking is hitting.”
    Certain words are used to convey a certain meaning different from other words eg. when the courts convict someone of a crime they sentence the person, and then they “imprison” him/her. “Imprison” is the correct word for that situation. If someone wanted to say that the courts were “kidnapping” that person because they were detaining him against his will, we would have to say that to use that word in this situation would not be correct. It is “imprisonment” not “kidnapping”, even though the action of detaining someone against their will could be described by either word if you disregard the circumstances. But one word describes something that is legitimate (ie. imprisonment), the other word describes something which is not legitimate (ie. kidnapping).

    In the same way, when a child is rebellious and the parent applies corporal correction (in the way I have described in earlier emails) we say he is being “smacked” or “spanked”. To say the child is being “hit” in that situation is not correct, it is the wrong word to use, even though you could use either word to describe the actual act of striking with the hand or with a suitable implement if you don’t take the situation into account. “Hitting” someone is not a legitimate action, whereas a parent “smacking” his child for the right reasons with the right motivation and in the right way is legitimate, according to the proper usage of each word.

    I hope this clarifies the difference I am trying to make between what you are talking about and what Family Integrity is meaning to convey.

    Sincerely
    Ed.

    Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:13 PM

    Dear Ed,

    I think any abortion is a very unfortunate event, but women do have the right to make that decision for themselves, and if their life and that of the child is going to be harmed, perhaps it is the only alternative. If the mother doesn’t want the child enough to have an abortion, the child is better off not being born. We are better to teach safe sex practices (ie. contraception) as a preventitive measure.

    I see the issue of abortion as being quite different to that of hitting children, and I don’t understand your connection.

    Kidnapping is taking someone for a ransom sum of money, paid for by someone else, quite different to imprisonment, which is state imposed sanctioning of behaviour. Smacking etc. is merely a euphimism for hitting/violence.

    Not sure where Jesus said to hit our children. Can you please tell me?

    You invest a lot of energy in defending adult’s right to hit children, a shame you are not interested in considering other less violent, positive forms of behaviour intervention.

    – Correspondent

    Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:54 PM

    Dear ,
    Sorry not to have replied sooner, but other matters took my needed attention.

    Would you please clarify for me what you mean by your first paragraph below? Are you actually saying that women have the right to kill their babies if they don’t want to give birth to them? But that if the same mothers do give birth to them, and subsequently give them some smacks on the bottom to correct bad behaviour, that is wrong? So murdering babies is okay (although unfortunate), but smacking them is not okay? Ripping living babies limb from limb with powerful suction machines, crushing their little heads with forceps, or just pulling them out of the womb whole and chucking them live into garbage bins where they die slowly, their crying ignored by the doctors and nurses who are letting them die in this manner – are you saying that women have the right to decide for ‘themselves’ such a fate for their defenceless, vulnerable, precious little babies? I agree that the issue of abortion is “quite different to that of hitting children” – abortion is about torturing, then murdering children, and hence, it is extreme violence and cruelty to children. The connection is this: If “hitting” children is violence and abuse, how much moreso is mutilating and killing them while in the womb, as happens with every abortion. And yet you do not seem upset about or opposed to abortion!

    How can anyone who cares about children condone the butchering of (how many is it in Australia?) some 100,000 children (that’s more people than live in our city of Palmerston North) each year ?

    Another implication would be this: if a woman has the ‘right’ to kill her baby while it is in her womb, why would she not have the ‘right’ to kill the same baby after he/she has come out of the womb, especially if the mother decides that the child might suffer harm, and that she no longer wants him/her?

    A further question I have is: Who says that a woman has the right to make that decision, and on what moral basis do they say it?
    And if the woman has that right, what about the right to life of the child within her womb?

    I am afraid you missed my point about kidnapping/imprisoning. The point is that, just as lawful imprisonment is not a euphemism for kidnapping (which, by the way, does not necessarily involve ransom demand/payment to constitute kidnapping – it is just the theft of a person), so smacking is not a euphemism for hitting/violence.

    , you keep talking about Jesus – are you a Christian?

    You misunderstand us entirely if you think we are concerned for our own “rights” as parents. We are concerned about our children’s needs. They need physical correction, and not because we think so, but because God says they need it (and as an aside, our own experience from when we were children, and our observation from bringing up numerous children in this way, bear this out to be true). In other words, if we are going to talk about rights, we would rather say that our children have a God-given right to loving physical correction for bad, self-destructive behaviour and attitudes. If we do not give them this which is their right and need, then we are guilty of neglect, and we wrong our children.

    I hope this further clarifies where we are coming from.

    Regards Ed

    Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:15 PM

    Hi Ed,

    Like I say, abortion is a woman’s right, as she is the one who is
    pregnant. I don’t condone abortion at all, but think it is inevitable
    in some circumstances such as when the child is not wanted, the result
    of rape etc. Obviously, killing a child is a different matter. Both
    kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment are crimes, and so should be
    hitting children, which is all about the adult and not about the child.
    It is all about power and control. It is possible to raise children
    without hitting them, and this should be viewed as the proper way to
    parent. I mean for goodness sake, why would you even want to hurt your
    own child anyway? I don’t understand.

    – Correspondent

    Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 5:57 PM

    Dear ,

    Abortion is by definition “killing a child”, because it ends a child’s life, and in a violent manner.
    So, in actual fact, you are still saying it is a woman’s right to kill a child – there is no way around this. The woman may be the one who happens to be carrying the child within her, but it is still a child, a vulnerable, helpless little human baby depending on her for protection and sustenance. How can any woman want to turn on her own child and murder it? If she doesn’t want him/her, then let her adopt the child out, not violently destroy his/her life. How can you defend the murdering of a child in the womb as a woman’s right, and in the same breath condemn a woman for smacking a child by way of correction once it is outside the womb? Does the location of the child (inside or outside the womb) determine what is right and wrong in this matter, in your view?

    You say hitting a child should be a crime, but you don’t think abortion, the murder of a yet to be born child, should be a crime? The reason being that the baby is not wanted? Some people abuse and neglect, and even kill their new-born babies because they don’t want them anymore. By your own standard, shouldn’t that be seen as all right?

    You say it is all about power and control (in other words, it is self-serving, only in the interests of the mother who smacks); and you don’t think abortion is all about power and control?

    As to why one would want to hurt his own child – I never want to hurt my own child. But sometimes a little pain is necessary in order to avoid much greater pain, and to avoid evil.

    Were you happy to take your child to the dentist, or to the doctor or school clinic to have a needle for immunisation, when you knew it was going to be a painful experience for him/her? Why did you do it? You could have spared them that pain if you had wanted to. You took them because of the (possible) consequences of not taking them. A rotten tooth is agonizing torture when left to itself. The likelihood of catching the disease if not immunised is increased, and if caught, the effects of the disease can be devastating (especially if it is meningitis or hepatitis or TB). You put your child through the minor ordeal in order to protect and spare them from major physical pain, harm and complications down the track.

    Physical correction is meant to do the same for children in terms of sparing them greater pain, harm and complications spiritually, emotionally, psychologically, physically and relationally, both now and down the track in life.

    Yes, you can raise children without using physical correction, but you won’t raise them to be humble, wise, godly, responsible, self-controlled adults who do what is good and right from right principle in the heart, for
    God’s glory – and the latter is what we at Family Integrity want for our children, because that is the only way to live a truly happy, productive and meaningful life.

    Sincerely
    Ed.

    Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 6:14 PM

    Hi Ed,

    It is a very painful experience for a woman to give birth to a child and
    then adopt the child out, even though this is preferable to those of us
    who do not have to go through the experience. I do think abortion is
    preferable to an unwanted child being born. If you are so concerned
    about killing a foetus, then why aren’t you concerned about assaulting a
    growing child?

    Of course, a child suffering pain due to medical/dental reasons is
    entirely different to them being assaulted by someone. Obviously, we do
    what we can to ease the pain for the child when they are undergoing
    painful medical/dental procedures, and yet by assaulting them, we hurt
    them deliberately.

    If assault is the best way to raise a child, why have the majority of
    the prison population experienced assault as children? I certainly
    believe that it is possible to raise children successfully without
    assaulting them, and that family breakdown is the result of a lack of
    communication, violence and the desire and ability to work together
    effectively. How you expect a human being to get along with and trust
    someone who hits them is beyond me!

    – Correspondent

    Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 3:53 PM

    Dear ,
    Getting ripped limb from limb without anaesthetic is painful too I should imagine, but you don’t seem to care that the baby has to undergo this slow-death torture when aborted (it is a fact that babies in the womb feel pain, for they cry when ripped out of the mother’s womb still alive and are thrown in the bucket to die; I have also seen the film “The Silent Scream”, which is actual footage of an ultrasound of an abortion, where the baby is trying to back away from the suction nozzle and opens its mouth in a scream as the latter comes into contact again with its body – the poor little kid!). And how can a mother turn on her own baby and have it put to death and chucked out with the garbage? This goes entirely against the natural desire of a mother to protect and nurture her own children, even at the sacrifice of her own life. But our society is producing 17000 mothers in New Zealand and over 100,000 mothers in Australia every year who butcher their own children! Something is dreadfully wrong, wouldn’t you agree?

    Further, there are painful consequences for the woman who goes ahead and has her baby killed, more painful and devastating, it could be argued, than actually delivering the baby and adopting out. There is the psychological/spiritual trauma of knowing she is murdering her own child – many women carry emotional scars and this heavy burden of suppressed and unresolved guilt on their consciences for years, if not for the rest of their lives (and not imagined guilt, either, but very real guilt because they have taken a human life, and often for very selfish reasons). Additionally, abortion is not physically pain-free for the woman, and can cause major physical complications/trauma, because it is the abrupt termination of a natural process – it can also make conception and pregnancy difficult later on.

    You didn’t answer my question: How can you defend the murdering of a child in the womb as a woman’s right, and in the same breath condemn a woman for smacking a child by way of correction once it is outside the womb? Does the location of the child (inside or outside the womb) determine what is right and wrong in this matter, in your view?
    Up until now you have been talking about aborting children. Now you have called it “killing a foetus” as well. Do you believe that a baby in the womb is a human being just as is the cute little one-month old baby nursing at his/her mother’s breast?

    I AM concerned about children being assaulted – I am against it. This is why we are promoting the only real answer to that problem – getting back to the traditional family as God intended it to be and function. Statistically, most child bashing by far occurs in households where there are either solo mothers with live-in boyfriends (who are not the biological fathers), or step-fathers, or de facto (unmarried) biological parents.

    Children suffering pain at the dentist or via a medical procedure is not different from a child suffering a bit of pain with a smack. The smack today, like today’s dentist drill, can save much greater pain, suffering, inconvenience, heartache, shame, etc., later on. Smacking is a cleansing operation, cleaning out bits of spiritual and willful rebellion from the child’s heart, re-inforcing the verbal admonition and parental personal example of the pathways they must travel and the ones to avoid.
    By the way, , do you have children of your own?

    Your comment, “If assault is the best way to raise a child…” is unworthy of the tenor of our discussions so far. I am sure you are perfectly aware that there is a universe of difference between the motivation, intentions, aims, objectives, methodologies and outcomes of assault on the one hand and smacking on the other, especially because I have taken pains a couple of times now to explain the differences to you. The two are vastly different in every respect, and neither does one grade into the other, for they are not even on the same continuum.

    Yes, probably most in prison were assaulted by abusive parents as they were growing up. But what they received from those who raised them is worlds apart from what Family Integrity is defending, and from what I have done with my own children in bringing them up. And if you think that smacking creates criminals, why are not 80-85% of the population in prison, because that’s the percentage that grow up being smacked in New Zealand, and Australia wouldn’t be much different?

    Furthermore, my children do trust me that I love them, and again I say, I can point to untold families that I know whose children love and trust their parents and are emotionally and physically healthy and happy, and they are so because their parents smack them in love when they do wrong. I have seen and experienced myself the gratitude of young adults who look back over their up-bringing and thank their parents for having disciplined them physically because they recognise in hindsight how they needed to have the boundaries enforced so that they would grow up to be self-disciplined adults.

    And how do you explain children being grateful for being smacked when they’ve done wrong, and hugging the one who smacked them afterward and then running off happily to play, with their behaviour and attitude much improved? Because it happens, time and again, in household after household across the world, where children are disciplined in love. I can explain this reality from the Bible. How do you explain it, with the assumptions you have?

    Regards
    Ed

    Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 4:19 PM

    Ed,

    No. I do not have children of my own.

    I don’t think we can expect a woman to go through an unwanted pregnancy,
    although if she did decide to keep the child or adopt it out of course
    that would be far preferable. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like abortion
    any more than I do smacking, but I do not feel I have the right to
    condemn a woman who makes the decision to have an abortion. Guess while
    still extremely painful, giving birth and giving the child up would be
    harder.

    Just as, in my opinion, it is far better parenting to talk to the child
    and use other non-violent (talking, time out, loss of priveleges) etc.
    than smacking.

    Suffering pain due to a medical procedure IS different from suffering
    pain due to violent punishment.

    If you guys stopped smacking your children, you would probably find you
    have an even better relationship with them than you do now!

    While smacking children remains acceptable/legal it makes it much harder
    to lessen the more severe incidents of child abuse including sexual
    abuse. I believe that “children behave as well as they are treated”,
    and that badly behaved children are generally badly treated.

    – Correspondent

    Sent: Tue 8/15/2006 1:31 PM

    Dear
    Sorry for the long silence, but things got really busy around here for quite some time.

    You wrote: “…I don’t like abortion any more than I do smacking, but I do not feel I have the right to condemn a woman who makes the decision to have an abortion. Guess while still extremely painful, giving birth and giving the child up would be harder.”
    How can you NOT condemn a woman for violently killing her own child in order to save HERSELF some physical and emotional pain (do you realise you are actually saying that the MURDER of your child is justifiable in these sort of circumstances?), and yet DO condemn another woman who smacks her child in order to spare that child the pains he will bring on himself if he doesn’t learn self-discipline while young?(“Discipline your son while there is hope, and do not desire his death.” – Proverbs 19:18)

    Suffering pain due to a medical procedure is NOT different from suffering pain due to (not “violent” but) physical discipline. The child does not want the pain of being cut or jabbed by a doctor/dentist, and you often have to make a toddler hold still while in the dentist’s chair. The pain is an unavoidable part of removing physical corruption (decay/disease). The same is true of physical discipline – the pain is not wanted by the child, but it is an unavoidable necessity for removing moral/spiritual/attitudinal corruption which has been displayed in rebellious behaviour. The Bible teaches us that,
    “Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; the rod of discipline will remove it far from him.” (Proverbs 22:15)

    You wrote: “If you guys stopped smacking your children, you would probably find you
    have an even better relationship with them than you do now!” It is comments like this that made me wonder if you have had children of your own. How on earth can you say that when you don’t know what my relationship with my children is like? It makes me wonder whether you are blindly committed to this idea that smacking children by way of correction is wrong no matter what evidence to the contrary you might actually find, and definitely no matter what your Creator, the Creator of heaven and earth, might say, ie. it is a FAITH position for you, but a faith not based on all the evidence, not based on reality, but rather on an ideology. You may have seen self-centred parents truly abusing their children with uncontrolled force, but that doesn’t mean you can therefore conclude that all parents who discipline their children physically are abusing them, nor that the results in both types of scenario will be the same. In other words, your logic is faulty, and certainly doesn’t match reality.

    In regard to your last paragraph below, when a parent loves his child enough to discipline him fairly and with the child’s well-being in mind, he does it with SELF-discipline, and it doesn’t lead to physical, or sexual, abuse. The most common factors leading to child abuse, as observed in NZ, (I mentioned this in my last email, and would like you to comment on this) are drug and alcohol abuse, family breakdown (ie. an extremely high percentage of violent and sexual abuse of children is done by live-in boyfriends, step-fathers, and de factos). Then there are the other factors, such as the plethora of violent, sadistic, sexually explicit movies and TV shows that fill people’s minds with moral garbage, and desensitise them to the horror of the real stuff, and get their minds going in a wrong direction. Add to that the rampant bullying in schools.

    So, if you want to stop violence against children, don’t pick on loving parents who occasionally smack their children to correct bad behaviour, lobby your government and encourage society to ban sex and violence from our cinema, TV and computer screens, to crack down on alcohol and drug abuse, to crack down on bullying in schools, and to stop subsidising marriage breakdown with social welfare handouts, and with legislation, and taxation levels, that undermine marriage and the traditional family.

    Smacking doesn’t lead to child abuse; the moral/spiritual decadence and self-centredness of our God-forsaking Western society is what is producing the physical and sexual abuse, as well as the mass-murder, of our children.

    Actually, looking back on my last email to you, I asked a couple of questions that you have not yet answered. I wonder if you would still do that for me. They are: “Does the location of the child (inside or outside the womb) determine what is right and wrong in this matter (ie. of murdering a baby), in your view? Up until now you have been talking about aborting children. Now you have called it “killing a foetus” as well. Do you believe that a baby in the womb is a human being just as is the cute little one-month old baby nursing at his/her mother’s breast?”

    The other questions I’d still like you to answer, please, are these: “And how do you explain children being grateful for being smacked when they’ve done wrong, and hugging the one who smacked them afterward and then running off happily to play, with their behaviour and attitude much improved? Because it happens, time and again, in household after household across the world, where children are disciplined in love. I can explain this reality from the Bible. How do you explain it, with the assumptions you have?”

    Sincerely
    Ed.

    Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:57 PM

    Dear Ed,

    Abortion and smacking are totally different, and bear no similarity in
    this debate.

    Similarly, experiencing pain due to a medical procedure is totally
    different from experiencing pain due to physical punishment. If I go to
    the dentist or have an operation, I have to expect a certain amount of
    pain if I am to get better. I do not expect that I need to suffer pain
    due to anyone hitting me, as that is against the law, as it should be
    for children.

    Jesus said “suffer the little children to come unto me”. I am certain
    he didn’t mean for children to be hurt.

    I am sure those smacked children you are talking about are hurting
    deeply inside and will suffer the emotional scars forever.
    Smacking IS violence and child abuse! Those other social ills you
    mentioned such as addiction, violence and family breakdown all
    contribute to the neglect and abuse of children. It is ridiculous that
    we deplore violence, and yet still permit children to be hit.

    As I say, I believe that we ought to be encouraging parents to use
    non-physical means of disciplining their children. Basically, people
    who agree with hitting children are all about them, and are not about
    the child at all. They do not see the child as being as much of a
    person or human being as them, and do not see the need to . We still have a
    long way to go in this area.communicate
    with and interact with the child on an equal level

    – Correspondent

    Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:39 AM

    Dear
    Why won’t you answer my simple, legitimate and very relevant questions concerning abortion? The issue of abortion is extremely relevant IF babies in the womb are truly human children, which I believe they are. Do you? The relevance is this: you cannot tell me that you are really concerned about the well-being of children, or that you “deplore violence” to children, when you justify the grossly violent mass mutilation and murder of probably 100s of millions of helpless dependent little babies worldwide each year. I simply do not believe you care about my or anyone else’s children.

    You wrote: “I am sure those smacked children you are talking about are hurting deeply inside and will suffer the emotional scars forever.” It is just as I said: this is a FAITH position for you, for you say, “I am sure…”. You WILL maintain it no matter how much evidence to the contrary I can give you. It is all just subjective ideology. Otherwise, on what do you base your certainty? Are you a mindreader who can see into the hearts of all children?

    You quoted Jesus again; not that I mind, because I believe what Jesus said. Jesus also said, “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell,” (Matthew 10:28) and “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” (John 14:6) Do you also believe that?

    You wrote: “Basically, people who agree with hitting children are all about them, and are not about the child at all.” “Hitting” children, as I understand that term, is wrong. That’s why I’ve practised smacking instead. I don’t “hit” them. If you meant “smacking children”, then actually, I never enjoyed smacking my children, but did it because I believed it would be good for them in the short term, and in the long run – and experience has borne this out to be true, as my own children will testify, not just to me, but to anyone who would ask (they are 22, 21, 19, 17, and 11 years of age). Of course, this is what the Bible has said all along.

    As to “communicate with and interact with the child on an equal level”, the fact is that they are not on an equal level in many ways. Oh yes, certainly in terms of being human beings made in the image of God, just like I am, they are equal. I seek always to show them respect as such. And I have enjoyed and do enjoy the companionship and love of my own children. But as to knowledge, understanding, wisdom, discernment and perceptions of reality and of dangers, as to life experience, and as to self-control, they are definitely NOT equal.

    There are many things we do not let children do because they are not ready for them. We have to train them to exercise self-control before we let them do certain things, and we must train their minds and their consciences so that they will develop the knowledge, wisdom and understanding to make certain decisions for themselves. And training always requires discipline, and discipline generally requires pain of one sort or another, because there are some things you and I will not learn unless we experience pain. What misery and pain we spare our children later in life when, through the relatively minor momentary sting of smacks in early childhood, we teach them to control themselves!

    You wrote: “Those other social ills you mentioned such as addiction, violence and family breakdown all contribute to the neglect and abuse of children.” … statistics show that they do not merely contribute, but rather that they are THE major factors involved in the majority of cases of child abuse. It appears to me to be ‘ridiculous’ that people will get so upset about a few smacks on the bottom for correction of bad behaviour, and not do everything they can to rid our society of these obviously major factors causing horrific child abuse. Neither do they do anything to reduce the other aspects of child abuse such as the bullying, the drugs at school; the porn, the gory violence on TV and Video games which are all manifestly damaging while smacking is only claimed to be so by some. The perspective is totally out of whack!

    I am glad you agree that children need to be disciplined. Could you give me some examples of “non-physical means of disciplining our children”?

    Sincerely
    Ed.

  • Select Committee Hearings

    Following are some observations and/or oral submissions from individuals who either presented oral submissions before the Justice and Electoral Select Committee concerning the Crimes Amendment Bill, or who attended hearings as interested observers.


    Ruby Harrold-Claesson’s oral submission to the Section 59 of the Crimes Act Select Committee in Hamilton 27 July 2006

    Good morning!

    My name is Ruby Harrold-Claesson, I am an attorney-at-law in Gothenburg, Sweden and I am also the president of the Nordic Committee for Human Rights – NCHR – For the protection of Family rights in the Nordic countries. I have a Master of Laws degree from Gothenburg University and I have studied Law and Political Science in France.

    The reason for my appearance here is Green MP Sue Bradford’s private Bill to remove Section 59 “the plea of reasonable force” from the Crimes Act. In this context she has cited Sweden as the example to follow. Being a legal practitioner in Sweden and president of the NCHR, I have been brought to New Zealand by the Section59 Coalition to give first hand information about the prosecution of parents, the breaking up of families and the unnecessary taking of children into care following the passing of the Anti-smacking law in 1979.
    Ms Bradford also claims that the change that she has proposed will prevent child deaths by abuse and that only one (1) child in four (4) years has died at the hands of it’s parents in Sweden.

    In support of my submission, I am presenting to the Select Committee this folder with English summaries of 30 cases from 1978 – 2004 and copies of court verdicts of prosecutions against parents who have smacked their children and also some newspaper articles about the same.

    Sweden removed the plea “reasonable force” in 1957 and the Anti-smacking law, forbidding parents to smack their children, gained force of law in 1979, to commemorate the UN’s Year of the Child. Contrary to the claims made by Ms Bradford, these laws have not prevented child abuse or child deaths at the hands of their parents. Statistics and recent research made at the University of Stockholm (May 2006) show that 258 children in Sweden have died at the hands of their parents between 1965-1999. Source The Daily News (Dagens Nyheter) May 12, 2006.

    Statistics from the National Council of Crime Prevention (BRÅ) show that an average of seven (7) children per year die at the hands of their parents.

    Dr Chris Beckett has written the article “The Swedish Myth: The Corporal Punishment Ban and Child Death Statistics”, published in British Journal of Social Work 2005. In this article Dr Beckett shows that the Swedish smacking ban has not reduced child deaths.

    I am proud to inform the Select Committee that Dr Cindy Kiro’s office has made an investigation into the information that Sue Bradford has been presenting and the information that I have presented and they have found that my figures are correct.

    Conclusion: Removing section 59 will not prevent child deaths by abuse. Despite the removal of the plea “reasonable force” and the passing of anti-smacking law, children still die at the hands of their parents in Sweden.

    Here are some recent examples:
    From January – February 2006 there has been three (3) child deaths in Sweden. These cases are:
    1 – Freddie three years old, died in January 2006 of abuse and neglect by his adoptive parents;
    http://www.nkmr.org/fallet_freddie.htm
    2 – Bobby ten years old, died in January 2006 of severe abuse at the hands of his mother and stepfather;
    http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,818768,00.html + links
    3 – Leo three years old, died in February 2006, suffocated by his mother;
    http://www.expressen.se/ego/c_r/index.jsp?a=521498, http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=550777,
    4 – May 2006 – 12 year old girl was stabbed to death by her step-father
    http://www.expressen.se/ego/c_r/index.jsp?a=595354

    Other children have died of state abuse in Sweden but these deaths are not included in the Statistics over child deaths at the hands of their carers.

    For example:

    · Earlier this year a three (3) month old baby died in crib death one month after he was removed from his mother. WHO recommends that nursing babies should not to be removed from their mothers before the age of 6 months. http://www.nkmr.org/lille_martin_tre_manader_dog_i_socialens_jourhem.htm
    · 17 year old boy hung himself in police cell in Örebro in January 2006. He had fled from the treatment home (institution) and the social services demanded police assistance to find him. He had told his girl friend that he would rather die than go back to the foster home.
    http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=505794

    2.

    Sue Bradford says that she does not want to ban smacking. However removing “reasonable force” from section 59 will open the way to a smacking ban.

    The Swedish example shows how the first step that was taken in 1957 removing the plea of “reasonable force” from the Criminal Code led to changes in the wording of the law where “curb” was replaced by “correct” in 1966.

    Following the death of a child in 1965, there were two private members Bills for a smacking ban. The Minister of Justice in 1966, Herman Kling, suggested that the Parents and Guardianship Code should be change to read that parents should not use other disciplinary methods than those that were suitable taking into consideration the child’s age and other circumstances.

    He said, I quote:
    “Considering the duties incumbent on the parent, we can not disregard the fact that certain situations can occur in the most harmonious family relationships. Parents can be obliged to over-power certain resistance from the child in situations where the child must be prevented from hurting himself or even from committing a crime. Even in other cases it may not be possible to influence a child’s behaviour without some form of physical correction. Considering the criminal and civil liability that both the child and the parent can face, if the child is not kept in control, I do not think that every form of physical punishment should be forbidden by law. ” Source: Parliamentary Prop 1966:96, SOU 1978:10 page 17.

    Then in 1979 the smacking ban was passed by 344 of 350 votes. Only six (6) MPs voted against the law, which they saw to be the abolition of Parental Authority. In Sweden we call this “The tyranny of the small steps”.

    The Anti-smacking law, in Chapter 6 section 1 of the Swedish Parents and Guardianship Code reads: “Children are entitled to care, security and a good upbringing. Children are to be treated with respect for their person and individuality and may not be subjected to physical punishment or any other humiliating treatment”. But there are no demands made on the children that they should respect their parents and obey them.

    Title IX of the French Civil Code (1981) deals with Parental authority. Article 371 reads: “The child, no matter what its age, owes honour and respect to its father and mother”.

    There is obviously a great difference in philosophy between the French law and the Swedish law.

    Here are some problems in the Swedish society that in my views are directly attributed to the anti-smacking law:

    · Parents in Sweden are afraid of their children. The children are educated or rather indoctrinated in their rights so they threaten their parents: “If you touch me I’ll report you to the police”.
    · Children are being taken away from their parents are put in foster homes following reports that their parents have smacked them. The law provides protection for children who are exposed to ill treatment.
    · In Sweden, over 20,000 children per year are in state care
    · Abuse of children in State care is seldom punished
    · There is a remarkable increase in bullying
    · There are severe problems with discipline in the schools

    All this has occurred since the smacking ban!

    Yesterday I listened to a radio interview with Professor Åke Edfedt, psychologist, who claims that only one parent has been charged and sentenced according to the anti-smacking law. This is completely misleading.

    As I mentioned earlier, I have compiled a series of 30 verdicts in smacking cases that I have summarised in English to present to the Select Committee. These verdicts represent a cross section of some the smacking cases judged between 1978 – 2004, that I have been able to locate. Unfortunately, these cases are very difficult to find because of the filing system used by the courts. The cases are given a number starting with the letter “B” as in “brott” = crime, e.g. B 199/1999, without any information as to whether the case is about child abuse or other. These cases are therefore difficult to find.

    These cases are examples of what will happen to New Zealand parents and children if Section 59 should be repealed.

    Ruby Harrold-Claesson
    Attorney-at-law
    President of the NKMR/NCHR
    www.nkmr.org

    Appendices
    1. Thirty Cases

    Case Law Summary of 30 Cases — in English

    List of Cases 1978 – 2005.

    1 – The priest in SÖLVESBORG. (1978)
    2 – Danish journalist in Linköping (1980)
    3 – The Turkish father in Södertälje (1982)
    4 – Teacher Case I (1984)
    5 – The Hälsingborg Case (1984)
    6 – The American Case (1984 – 1985)
    7 – The Hungarian Case (1985)
    8 – The Yavari case (1988)
    9 – The Polish family in Mölndal (1989)
    10 – The case of the ‘uncared’ child in Stockholm (1988)
    11 – The Sandviken Case (1988)
    12 – The Step-father in Malung (1991)
    13 – The Foster-parent Case (1992)
    14 – The Priest Case nr 2 (1992)
    15 – Teacher case II (1992)
    16 – The Police Chief’s Case (1992)
    17 – The Refugee Mother Case (1992)
    18 – The Pre-school teacher case (1992)
    19 – The Case of the African in Gothenburg (1993)
    20 – The Case of the young Thai widow (1995)
    21 – The Case of the Tanzanian mother (1995)
    22 – The Eritrean Refugee case in Solna (1995)
    23 – The Bosnian Refugee Case (1996)
    24 – The father in Gothenburg (1998)
    25 – The parents in Stockholm (1998)
    26 – The Sunne Cases I & II Aggravated Harassment – Disturbance of Peace (2002)
    27 – The Father of seven in Skåne Aggravated Harassment (2003)
    28 – The American father in Borås 2003
    29 – The Stepfather in Uddevalla whose 15 yr old step-daughter spat in his face (2004)
    30 – The Refugee father in Örebro (2004)

    1 – The priest in SÖLVESBORG.
    Summary judgement (Strafföreläggande) 1051-403-78
    On December 20, 1978, i.e. before the passing of the anti-smacking law, the priest was given a summary judgement and fined 20 day-fines à 45 SEK.

    The priest’s crime was entitled: Assault, minor crime. (Misshandel, ringa brott.)

    Description of the crime, which was signed by public prosecutor Magnus Eneroth reads:

    “You have, in your home at Gammaltorp, inflicted your 13-year old daughter E a slap in her face with the palm of your hand and caused her pain, tenderness and a blue mark.” Time: 22-10-1978. Law: Chapter 3 section 5 Penal Code.

    (Ni har i Ert hem i Gammaltorp tilldelat Er 13-åriga dotter E ett slag i ansiktet med öppen hand och tillfogat henne smärta, ömhet och blånad. Tid: 1978-10-22. Lagrum: 3 kap 5 § Brottsbalken.)

    2 – Danish journalist in Linköping 1980
    Towards the end of August 1980, two Danish parents were threatened with prosecution and public care of their five-year-old son, who had made a careless remark at his day-care centre. The boy had told of having been smacked on his buttocks and that “my mother tramples on my back.”

    The boy’s story was reported to the social authorities in Linköping by the staff at the day-care centre. The mother, being a journalist, sent the story to Berlingske Tidende which published two very sarcastic articles under the heading “From great new Sweden” (Fra fagre ny Sverige) 28/8 1980 and “Husband and wife prosecuted. Smacked their son’s bottom” (Ægtepar står til straf, gav son klask bagi) 30/8 1980.

    The parents also challenged the social workers before Justitieombudsmannen and the case against them was closed.

    3 – The Turkish father in Södertälje (Södertälje District Court Case no. B 63/82 verdict DB 462 27 April 1982)

    On April 27, 1982, a Turkish citizen was sentenced and fined for having assaulted his two-year-old daughter while they were shopping at the supermarket Obs! in Södertälje. The father was shopping with his daughter and his mother-in-law. The child did not want to sit in the shopping-cart, so her father let her walk beside him. Then the child started taking things from the shelves and her father told her to leave the things alone or else she would have to sit in the shopping-cart.

    When the little girl continued to take things from the shelves her father picked her up and put her to sit on the cart. The little girl started to cry and kicked off her boots. Her father picked up the boots and put them back on her feet. The father was accosted by a Swedish woman, who informed him that Swedish law forbids parents to slap their children. She reported the incident to the police. The father denied slapping the child and his version of the events was collaborated by the child’s grandmother. However, the court found the father guilty on the basis of the story presented by the Swedish woman.

    4 – Teacher Case I (NR B 247/84, Judgement DB 294 (District Court); B 245/84 Judgement nr DB 2029, Court of Appeal)

    The first case that received media attention world-wide dates from 1984. A father in Gällivare, in the north of Sweden, teacher to profession, was prosecuted for, and found guilty of assault of his 12-year-old son. Both the lower court and the Court of Appeals found the father guilty as charged, and he was convicted, fined and sentenced (suspended sentence), because he had smacked his son. The Supreme Court refused to try the case so the decision of the Court of Appeals “acquired force of law”.

    The Court of Appeals admitted that the father had all reason to be angry at his son because the boy had openly disregarded and disobeyed his parents’ orders NEVER to toe his little brother on his bicycle. However, the Court of Appeals maintained that, no matter what a child does, the law guarantees that he should never be smacked by his parents.

    The facts of the case are as follows: The boy had placed his little brother on the back of his bicycle several times that day and ridden off down the street. The father had warned him about the danger of taking his little brother on the bicycle and cycling through the Saturday morning traffic with him. He also warned that the spokes could injure the small boy’s foot. But the boy took no notice of his father. After a while, the boy returned home with his little brother who was crying because his foot had got caught in the spokes. The father confiscated the boy’s bicycle and locked it away. He then took the boy into the house and gave him three smacks on his bottom with some twigs.

    Several similar cases were brought to justice in 1984 and 1985.

    5 – The Hälsingborg Case
    (Order of summary punishment (Strafföreläggande) 1252-882-84)

    Hälsingborgs District Attorney issued an order of summary punishment on May 23, 1984 against a Swedish father for having slapped his 12-year-old son’s face.

    The boy’s friends used to call the family’s telephone so often that the parents decided to get a secret number. The boy was told not to give the number to his friends. On April 27, 1984, when a call came for the boy, his father accused him of having given the new telephone number to his friends.

    When the boy denied doing this, his father accused him of lying and slapped his face. His mother saw what had happened and instructed the boy to report his father to the police. The family then sat down to dinner and an hour later the boy went to the police and reported his father.

    The mother was interrogated by the police on May 14, 1984. The police asked her if she had been aware of the consequences of a report to the police. She replied: “I wasn’t, but I thought that the police would talk to Dad, and give him a warning so that he wouldn’t do it again. If we had known that it would go as far as this, we would never have reported the incident. It would have remained within the family.” (“Får jag fråga, var du medveten om konsekvenserna av en anmälan till polisen?”
    SS svarade: Det var jag inte utan jag trodde närmast liksom att polisen skulle prata med pappa, dom skulle ge honom en varning så att han inte tog till sådan tag och hade vi vetat att det hela går så långt som till .. då hade vi aldrig anmält händelsen, utan det hade stannat inom familjen så att säga liksom.”)

    6 – The Hungarian Case
    (Kristianstad District Court Case no. B 169/85 Verdict DB 247; District Administrative Court in Kristianstad Case no. Ö 291-84 & Ö 136-85)

    Kristianstad District Court issued a suspended sentence against a Hungarian man for having smacked his seven-year-old son. The child was removed from their home and placed in social custody. The child had been fighting with the other children at school and had even bitten a teacher.

    The District Administrative Court in Kristianstad upheld the decision of the social district council to take the child into public care. Psychiatric care was recommended both for the boy and the chastising father.

    7 – The American Case
    (Solna District Court B 340/85 verdict DB 372, District Administrative Court in Stockholm case no. Ö 2123-84)
    Solna District Court sentenced an American residing in Sweden for maltreatment of his 15-year-old daughter and the girl was taken into social custody. The father had smacked her on her bottom with the palm of his hand one morning when she had locked herself in the bathroom and prevented the other members of the family from getting ready to leave home for their daily routines.

    The girl was raped while at the institution. Her parents reported the matter to the police, but the matter was not investigated.

    8 – The Yavari case
    The Yavari case took place in 1988 and was for several weeks recurring front-page news in the evening newspaper Göteborgs Tidningen (GT) and the Christian newspaper DAGEN “The Day”.

    A simple question from the little four-year-old Yavari girl to her day-carer gave rise to a nightmare experience for the Yavari family. The little girl asked her day-carer if her son would get a smacking because he had done something pretty nasty. The day-carer, employed by the community, came to the conclusion that the Yavari children must have been accustomed to being beaten i. e. “maltreated in their home”. She therefore made a report to her employer, and the employer in her turn made a formal report to the social authorities in Götene. All three children in the Yavari family were immediately taken into social custody and taken to hospital for examination. A series of doctor’s certificates stated that the children showed no signs of bruises or beating. The chairman of the social authorities refused to drop the case so the Yavaris’ took their children and fled to England.

    9 – The Polish family in Mölndal
    (Mölndals District Court Case no. B 674 & 694/89 Verdict DB 774)
    On December 19, 1989, Mölndal’s District Court sentenced a Polish father to 70-day-fines à 10 SEK for maltreatment of his 16-year-old daughter. He was charged for incidents which occurred in 1988 and 1989. The social authorities removed the girl from the custody of her parents and placed her as a foster-child in the home of the friend who the parents deemed as an unsuitable friend for their daughter.

    The family moved to Sweden in 1984 and shortly after starting school and making friends the girl refused to obey her parents and respect their norms and values. She demanded the same ‘freedoms’ that her Swedish friends had. She had unsuitable friends and she wanted to go to discotheques and stay out late at nights. One evening when she was to go to a party her father wiped off her excessive make-up and demanded that she put on suitable clothes.

    One night in November 1988 the girl was given strict rules to be home by 11 p.m. When she had not returned by 1 a.m. her parents went out to look for her. When they saw her she tried to run away but her father caught her up after a race of 600 à 700 meters. He told the Court that she hit after him and he hit at her, and it was possible that she received a blow.

    On one occasion the girl broke a window at home. Because she had reported her father to the police, the parents reported her for damages to their home.

    10 – The case of the ‘uncared’ child in Stockholm
    (Stockholm District Court Verdict 31/12 1988; Svea Court of Appeals FT 91/1992).

    On February 2, 1987, a member of the social district council reported a mother, alleging that she was not taking proper care of her five-year-old child and that the child most likely was being assaulted by her mother. The woman claimed that she had spoken to the mother’s neighbours who informed her that there was often noises and crying in the mother’s flat. Following the report, the social workers started an investigation. The mother was visited by a social worker on February 9, 1987. The investigation was closed since the social worker found no grounds for the accusations.

    The mother then sued the member of the social district council for seditious libel and won in both instances.

    11 – The Sandviken Case
    (Stockholm District Court Verdict 2/12 1988; Svea Court of Appeals T 7/89)

    On April 28, 1983, the president of the social district council decided to take a five-year-old child into public care, alleging that the father had ill-treated the boy. The boy had blisters and scars on his body, which looked like cigarette burns.

    The boy was placed in hospital for examination. The blisters appeared even there. The father was accused of sneaking into the hospital and inflicting wounds on his son. The child had a skin disease, Atopia. The father suffered from the same disease, too. However, no one listened to the explanations given by the parents.

    The social workers forced the parents to divorce, if the mother wanted to get her child back. They divorced. After many medical examinations a specialist confirmed that the boy had a skin disease. The strain and stress of the custody and divorce cases induced a nervous breakdown in the father.

    The father then sued the Swedish State, the Commune and the Health Board for the suffering he had been inflicted. The Courts granted him substantial damages but he had lost his health and family life forever.

    12 – The Step-father in Malung
    (Karlstad District Court. Case nr. B 97/91 verdict DB 143; Court of Appeals for Western Sweden Case nr. B 414/91 DB 165)

    Karlstad’s District Court sentenced the stepfather to one year’s imprisonment for assault of his two stepsons aged 12 and 11 years old. The boys were in bad company and they were often caught stealing in the grocery stores and the petrol station. The stepfather slapped the boys’ faces, smacked them and confined them to their rooms.

    The sentence was confirmed by the Court of Appeals for Western Sweden. The Supreme Court refused to try the case and the Government denied him pardon.

    13 – The Foster-parent Case
    (B 986/92 Borås District Court)

    On May 20 1992, a foster father in Borås was convicted for assault (maltreatment) of two of his foster children in their late teens and sentenced to four months imprisonment. The foster home only took care of the “hopeless cases” (“worsties” as they are called in Sweden) and the home was known to give good results where the social institutions had failed.

    The foster children had criminal backgrounds and they were very socially and mentally disturbed. They had often threatened to cut or kill the foster parents and their seven children, and sometimes they went raging mad and destroyed things in the house. One of them even burnt an out-house down to the ground, causing property damages for two and a half million SEK. The foster father had to overpower the teenagers when things got too rough and dangerous around the house. He was also accused by the foster children for saying Grace at the table.

    The Court of Appeals for Western Sweden in Gothenburg confirmed the prison sentence and the Supreme Court refused to try the case.

    14 – The Priest Case nr 2 (B 47/92 Sandvikens District Court verdict DB 124;) (Court of Appeals for Lower Norrland B 339/92 DB 211)

    On June 11, 1992 a priest in Sandviken was convicted and fined for ill-treatment of his 16 year-old daughter. The priest was charged for having slapped his daughter’s face. The day in question she had thrown a log full of nails and an axe after her younger sibling. The girl used to be “Daddy’s girl”, she was very spoilt and bad tempered and reluctant to help around the house.

    The priest never denied slapping his daughter, but he denies having maltreated her. This case was reported anonymously to the social authorities by someone who heard the girl screaming and slamming doors! The priest is suspended from his office. The Court of Appeal confirmed the District Court’s sentence on December 22, 1992. This case was referred to The European Court of Human Rights. The ECHR however, did not examine the case because the priest had not appealed to the Supreme Court.

    The Diocese had informed the priest that he would be dismissed from the priesthood if he appealed to the Supreme Court. To keep his job, he abstained from appealing. The priest was fired after the verdict had gained force of law.

    The family has been badly damaged by the interference of the authorities. The girl has lost the affection of her sisters and brother and the father does not dare correct her, no matter what she does. The girl has therefore lost her family and the parental guidance of her father.

    15 – Teacher case II (B 2637/92 Gothenburg District Court)
    In September 1992 a teacher was convicted and fined for having maltreated his 12 year-old son. The parents – both intellectuals – had made certain rules as regards the tidying of the children’s rooms and watching the Tele. The children were not allowed to watch TV all evening, and their TV-time was restricted to 2 hours per evening including playing computer games. It was a controversy about watching the Tele that triggered off the happenings on April 9.

    The father told his son to turn off the Tele and empty the garbage. The boy refused to comply, so his father turned off the Tele, removed the boy bodily from the sofa, put the garbage bag in his hand and shoved him towards the door. The boy cried and the following day he went to the police and reported being beaten and kicked – that he had been maltreated by his father.

    The boy informed his father that he had reported him to the police, and the father explained what the consequences could be. The boy rushed off to the police station to withdraw his statement but instead, that resulted in the father also being charged for “interfering in due process”. Because of the psychic press on the family, the father did not appeal the case.

    16 – The Police Chief’s Case
    (B 479/92 Umeå District Court)

    On October 23 1992, the) chief of police in Lycksele, county councillor in Norrbotten for the Moderates, LLB Sören Alfredsson, was convicted as charged and fined by Umeå district court for ill-treatment of his 15 year old daughter. Alfredsson has been convicted and heavily fined and he will have to repay the costs of the public defence counsel provided by the State.

    The alleged assault took place in February 1992. The mother had given the girl’s younger sibling a stereo tape recorder for his birthday. The girl became jealous of her brother, demanded compensation from her mother. Her mother refused any form of compensation for her brother’s birthday gift, informing her that she had not been behaving in a suitable way and that alcohol was found in her closet. The girl pushed her mother so she fell down the stairs.

    According to the prosecutor’s writ of summons, Alfredsson, when he had heard what his daughter had done, he grabbed a broad plaited cane used to beat carpets (mattpiskare) and whacked his daughter across her bottom. The girl went to the school-nurse who made a report to the social authorities, which in their turn filed charges against the father.

    NB the girl, age 15, is punishable by law. None of the authorities have even thought of prosecuting her for assault or attempted assault on her mother. That is Swedish justice!

    17 – The Refugee Mother Case (B 4477/92 Gothenburg District Court)
    On December 10, 1992 a 23 year old sole-parent and refugee, mother of two girls aged seven and six years, was sentenced to one year’s imprisonment for having smacked her younger daughter. The young woman came as a refugee from Eritrea and her children came to Sweden in May 1992. She was not informed about the existence of the anti-smacking law.

    The younger daughter was very stubborn and kept on picking fights with her older sister, who was having an attack of asthma. The mother intervened and, at the end of her tether, when the little girl would not stop fighting, she smacked her. The smacking took place in September 1992. The child bore marks on her body the following day when she was taken to the childcare centre to be vaccinated. The children, who knew no Swedish, were immediately taken into social custody and placed in an orphanage from September 1992 to April 1993.

    The mother was held in arrest for seven days. She was released on bail because she had refused to eat. However she was forbidden to make contact with her children for another six weeks. The children thought that the police had taken their mother and executed her, just like the Ethiopian police did with people during the war.

    The case was appealed to The Court of Appeals for Western Sweden, where her sentence was mitigated – the verdict was: 6 months imprisonment. The Supreme Court refused to examine the case on May 14, 1993. The case was reported to the European Commission but it was declared inadmissible.

    18 – The Pre-school teacher case
    (B 5050/92 Gothenburg District Court)

    This is a case about a young Finnish mother who is accused of maltreatment her 12 year old daughter who always kept on stealing and running away from home. The mother and daughter have been living in Sweden for 6 years and the child was emotionally disturbed because of alleged sexual abuse from her father (the parents divorced before mother and daughter moved to Sweden).

    Once when the girl had run away from home she was taken care of by the police and the social authorities in Falköping. The girl then said that she was afraid to return home because her mother would be angry with her for having run off once again, that her mother would perhaps smack her.

    The policeman then advised the girl of her rights according to the law, that her mother was not allowed to even lay a finger on her – only talk to her. She was also encouraged to go to the police and report her mother if ever she should lay hands on her.

    A few weeks later, the girl ran off once again and when she finally returned home late that night she was very provocative. Her mother became angry and slapped her face. The girl went to the police the next morning and filed charges against her mother.

    The mother was found guilty of maltreatment and issued a suspended sentence on March 23, 1993. Neither the Court of Appeals for Western Sweden nor the Supreme Court changed the verdict. The case was reported to the European Commission but it was declared inadmissible.

    19 – The Case of the African in Gothenburg
    (Gothenburg District Court Case no. B 4184-93, Verdict DB 856 23/11 1993.)

    A father of African origin was charged for having ‘boxed’ his 5 year old daughter on May 6, 1993. The father, a former boxer, was accused of having thrown a punch that hit his daughter under her eye, causing pain, swelling and a black-eye.

    The day-care centre reported the wounds on the child and she was immediately removed from the custody of her parents and placed in a children’s home. The next day when the parents were allowed to take her home she ran into her father’s arms. The father told the Court that he had hit out at the little girl because she was very provocative. She turned to run and stumbled over a chair.

    The little girl said that Daddy had boxed her. It should however be noted that the family speaks English at home and the word ‘box’ does not have the same meaning as the Swedish ‘boxa’.

    On October 23, 1993 the father was found guilty as charged and he was sentenced and fined for assault and battery of his daughter. He was given a suspended sentence and fined 50 day fines à 80 SEK.

    The family had suffered so much that the father did not appeal the verdict.

    20 – The Case of the young Thai widow
    (Gothenburg District Court; B 1358-95; B 13558-96 B 126/97 Court of Appeals for Western Sweden. Custody Case Ö 6606-96, District Administrative Court in Göteborg)

    On May 8, 1995, the young widowed Thai mother of four children, whose husband had perished in a restaurant fire two years earlier, was accused of slapping the face of her 14 year-old daughter and pulling the girl’s hair. The mother confessed to having slapped her daughter’s face, but denied pulling her hair.

    Gothenburg District Court found that the girl had been very provocative towards her mother and that the assault came at a point where the mother no longer could control herself. The Court found that it would be unreasonable to sentence the mother.

    On January 2, 1997, Gothenburg District Court found the mother guilty as charged for having assaulted her four children. She was sentenced to one month’s imprisonment and the court awarded the children 67 000 SEK in damages. They were all removed from their mother’s custody and placed in separate foster homes. The Court found that the mother had not been cured by the prosecution the year before.

    21 – The Case of the Tanzanian mother
    (District Court of Åmål, Case no. B 76/95; Court of Appeals for Western Sweden Case no. B 1339/95)

    On September 21, 1995, the District Court of Åmål sentenced a Tanzanian adoptive mother to imprisonment for having assaulted her nine year old adoptive daughter and putting her in room-arrest.

    The verdict was quashed by the Court of Appeals for Western Sweden on May 14, 1996.

    22 – The Bosnian Refugee Case
    (Landscrona District Court; Case no. B 163/96)

    On June 12 1996, Landscrona District Court sentenced a Bosnian refugee mother to a suspended sentence and a heavy fine, for having hit her 15 year old daughter with a belt on the evening of October 9, 1995. The mother admitted having hit her daughter. She did not appeal the sentence.

    The social authorities removed the girl from the custody of her parents and placed her in a foster home. The address where the girl was placed was held secret from her parents. According to the information in the social investigation, the parents said that the girl could move back home to them, but that she would have to follow the rules set down by them and that they were going to smack her anytime she broke any rules.

    The facts of the case are the following: The mother asked her daughter to go to the washroom in the basement of the apartment building they inhabited, to collect the family’s laundry. A neighbour took the laundry basket up to the family and told the parents that there was no one in the washroom. The girl returned home a few hours later. She had gone to see a friend.

    Her mother became angry with her because she had not done what she was told to do. After a short exchange the mother grabbed a belt hanging in the hall and hit the girl.

    At the interrogation the father asked the police what they as parents should do when their 15 year old was disobedient and misbehaving. The police advised the parents to consult the social workers!

    23 – The Eritrean Refugee case in Solna
    (Order of summary punishment (Strafföreläggande) 0257-00187-95)

    On March 1, 1995, the District Attorney in Solna, issued an order of summary punishment for an Eritrean refugee father of four, for having slapped his eldest daughter’s face. The prosecutor classed the assault as a minor offence and the father was made to pay 40 day fines à 90 SEK for assault of his daughter.

    24 – The father in Gothenburg
    (Gothenburg District Court; B 16637/97 Verdict 31/3 1998)

    On March 31, 1998 the District Court in Gothenburg sentenced a father for having assaulted his six year-old daughter. The father was accused for having slapped his daughter’s face whereby she felt pain and felt tenderness and developed a red mark on her right cheek. He admitted slapping the girl.

    According to the verdict, the assault took place on August 10, 1997 when the family was returning from their summer vacations in Värmland. Travelling in the care were father, mother and three children. The girls fussed and fought with each other in the back seat from the moment they entered the car. After about one hour they stopped to fill up the car and the girls got to stretch their legs. The girl, who normally was very calm, was the one who was leading the fuss and fight and she received most of the rebukes. When the father, disturbed by the fighting in the back seat, turned around to rebuke them, he nearly had an accident. He became upset, stopped the car, got out and slapped the girl’s face. She calmed down and cried a little. The fighting in the back seat was all over after that and the family returned to Gothenburg, safe and sound. The girl developed a red mark on her cheek. It disappeared after a couple of days.

    25 – The parents in Stockholm
    (Southern Roslags District Court; B 2549-98)

    On December 10, 1998, the Southern Roslags District Court sentenced a mother and adopted father to two months imprisonment each for having smacked their six year old daughter between January 1, 1997 and November 27 1997. The shoe-horn that was used to smack the child was confiscated. The parents were also sentenced to pay a fine to the Crime Prevention Fund and to pay 15 000 SEK (£ 1111) in damages to their daughter. The will also have to refund the State for the cost of their prosecution.

    The mother is from Spain and the father is Swedish. They belong to a religious movement called “The Potters’ House” (Krukmakarnas hus). The parents disputed the charges but both admitted to smacking the little girl. The child was always given three warnings before she was smacked. They informed the Court that the reason why they used a shoe-horn instead of their hand, is because the hand represents love, not punishment. Both parents stated that they followed the teachings of The Bible on the question of child-rearing.

    According to the verdict, the parents have decided to refrain from smacking their child because they are afraid that the social authorities will remove her from their care.

    Southern Roslags District Court wrote in its verdict, the following:
    “Children are very dependent on the adults around them, and especially their parents, to feel safety in their lives and environment among other things. That is the reason why the society must react strongly when children are subjected to ill-treatment. The ill-treatment of V has taken place in her home during a long period of time and it has been planned and systematic. Even if the injuries have been relatively slight, the deeds must be judged as assault and battery, due to the conditions we have stated above.
    Assault and battery is a crime of the sort that is punished by prison.

    To this must be added the fact that the assault was perpetrated on a child by her mother and step-father for almost one whole year. The parents seem to live under good social conditions, so there is no reason to choose any other punishment. The parents should therefore be sentenced to a shorter prison sentence.”

    The reasoning of the Court concerning the damages awarded to the child is as follows:
    “Because of the outcome of the case (the parents) will have pay damages to (the child). The assault that she has been exposed to has, upon an objective evaluation, caused her a serious violation of her personal integrity. The fact that (she) is so young that it makes it difficult to make a closer evaluation of her subjective experiences of what she has experienced, does not exclude her right to be rewarded damages for the violation. Damages for the violation is set at a reasonable 15 000 SEK.”

    The sentence was appealed but the Svea Court of Appeals confirmed the verdict of the lower court. The Supreme Court refused to try the case.

    The social authorities investigated whether or not the child should be taken into care, but the District administrative court decided that she should remain in her parents care.

    26 – The Sunne Cases I & II Aggravated Harassment – Disturbance of Peace (2002)
    Sunne District Court Case no. B 306-02

    On October 16, 2002, Sunne District Court sentenced a father to suspended sentence and 60 day fines à 70 SEK for aggravated disturbance of the peace of his two daughters born in1989 and 1993.

    “Opinion of the court
    The father has admitted that he has slapped the children with open hand on the backside, taken hold of their arms and ears and shouted and sworn at them. He has emphasized however, that this has only occurred rarely and not at all in the way or as often as the children and the Prosecutor claim. Obviously there are difficulties in a case of this kind to determine the exact nature of the offence and its frequency. The Court finds however, that the testimony of the children is supported to a certain extent by the witnesses called by the Prosecution and that it is therefore proven beyond reasonable doubt that the father, on several occasions during the time stipulated by the prosecution, has assaulted the children and violated their integrity as stated by the Prosecution.

    The Prosecutor pleads that the father should not be prosecuted for specific acts, but instead be sentenced for gross violation of personal integrity.

    The background to the introduction of the charge of gross violation of personal integrity can be summarised as follows. It can be difficult, according to the rules of the penal system, to estimate the severity of a crime in which a repeated, systematic violation of integrity is made up of acts which in themselves are petty. The penal system is based upon the judgement of specific acts identifiable in time and room. When such acts constitute a recurring pattern of harassment between unequal partners, the sentence may well fail to take into account the severity of the accumulated effect. The regulations concerning violation of integrity have been introduced to compensate for this. (See Holmqvist et al., Brottsbalken, p 4:16).

    The father is guilty of violation of integrity and various types of assault. The particular acts themselves were of a less serious nature. However, this is a question of crime committed by a father against his children, who were living in his care and who were dependent upon him. Furthermore, the crimes have been committed on a number of occasions and over a long period of time. This leads the Court to the conclusion that each and every one of the deeds constitutes a part of a repeated violation of the children’s integrity. Such a long and continuous form of cruelty to children as the father has subjected (XX and XX) (his daughters) to, is generally considered to lead to a seriously damaged self-image. The father must have been aware of this.

    The Court is satisfied that all the requirements are satisfied for a verdict of gross violation of integrity.

    The charge is proven and the father is sentenced for gross violation of integrity.

    Sentence
    The father has no previous convictions. A report about his social situation shows him to be stable. The local probation service feels that there is no need for a probation officer but suggests instead a conditional sentence with community service. The father has agreed to the recommended sanctions at the hearing.

    The father’s admission, that he used force and swore loudly on occasions when the children were fighting and would not listen to him, should not be ignored. The Court finds, taking all the evidence into careful consideration, that the circumstances of the crime are not such that a prison sentence is necessarily called for. On account of this and because there is no special reason to suspect that the father will continue these crimes, the Court has decided that a suspended sentence combined with a fine is a suitable and sufficiently severe sanction for the father.

    27 – The Father of seven in Skåne “Gross Harassment” (2003)
    Lunds District Court, Case no. B 4084-03, Verdict November 27, 2003

    On October 16, 2003, the social council in the southern Sweden municipality Svalöv decided to take seven brothers and sisters into public care. The seven children were born between 1990 – 1999. Their father had been accused and prosecuted for “gross disturbance of the peace” of his children. He was arrested and confined pending trial. The mother was not accused of any misdemeanours, yet five of the children were immediately placed in foster care. The two boys who were not taken immediately were at home because they were sick. One of them was suffering from ear-ache and fever and the other, the middle child who was born with myelocele thus an invalid confined to his wheel-chair, had only just returned from the hospital after an operation. The social workers promised the mother that they would let the sick youngsters remain with her but a few hours later they returned with an ambulance and transported them to separate destinations.

    On November 27, 2003, the father was completely acquitted in the Criminal court. However, the social council proceeded in the care case and on December 18, 2003, three weeks after his acquittal, the Administrative County court ruled in favour of the social council and against the children and their parents. On April 21, 2004, the Administrative court of Appeal in Gothenburg confirmed the ruling of the lower court. The lawyers did not appeal the case to the Supreme Administrative court.

    On June 30, 2004 the parents applied to the social council to have the care order lifted. The mother, who was then pregnant with child no. eight has had to keep out of the way of the social workers for fear that they would take the baby at birth and she has had to avoid meeting her other children. The baby was born in September 2004. In order to protect her newborn the mother moved to a neighbouring municipality, yet on January 19, 2005 the social council that decided to take the couple’s seven children into care decided to take the newborn baby into care.

    On March 8, 2005 the Administrative County Court in Malmö decided to prolong the care order for the seven children and on March 31, 2005 the same judge at the Administrative County Court ruled in favour of the social services taking the baby into care. The mother and baby were in hiding so the verdict was accepted and there was no appeal. The social services obtained police assistance and contacted all the child care centres in Sweden in search of the mother and baby, but to no avail. After one month the verdict of the Administrative County Court could no longer be executed.

    The parents appealed to the Administrative Court of Appeal in Gothenburg against the March 8 verdict. On June 28, 2005 the Administrative Court of Appeal in Gothenburg confirmed the decision of the Administrative County Court in Malmö.

    The parents appealed to the Supreme Administrative Court but their appeal was rejected.

    The parents are still (2006) fighting court battles to reunite with their children.

    28 – The American father in Borås 2003
    A father, an American married to a Swede, is suing his employers and a colleague for seditious libel. The incident took place August 2003 when his daughter – and only child – was 6 yrs old. The colleague had spoken to the little girl, who was visiting her dad at his work-place, and asked her if her Daddy smacked her. The colleague then contacted BRIS (Children’s Rights in the Society) and after that she discussed the matter with the employer. The following week the Personnel Manager made a formal complaint to the social services that my client abused his daughter.

    The social services made an investigation, but they found nothing to report to the police and no reason to take the child into care.

    The father, my client, then turned on his employers and the colleague and sued them for seditious libel. He lost the first round in the Borås District court. The case is now in the Court of Appeal for Western Sweden.

    29 – The Stepfather in Uddevalla whose 15 yr old step-daughter spat in his face (2004) Varberg District Court, Case B 701-04, verdict 2004-10-05

    The step-family was out shopping at a Mall in March 2004. The 15 yr old girl wanted to buy a DVD. Her stepfather said no. Upset by his refusal to let her buy a DVD she spat in her stepfather’s face. He in turn slapped the girl’s face and pushed her so she fell in a mound of snow. Someone observed the incident and made a police report.

    Varberg District Court found the stepfather not guilty of the charges of child abuse.

    The case was appealed to the Court of Appeal for Western Sweden where the stepfather was found guilty.

    30 – The Refugee father in Örebro (2004)
    County Court in Örebro, Case no. 2763-04 Verdict delivered 2005-02-01

    The father in this case is a UN-refugee. He fled from war in his home country in Africa and was given refugee status in Sweden. The father is a very articulate person, who knows his rights. He was accused of ill-treating his 12-yr old son, but he was not prosecuted. However the social services intervened and took his son into public care. The received a shock when the social services became interested in him. He said: “I fled from one hell in my country, only to end up in an even greater hell in Sweden. They have taken my son from me.”

    Believing that the rights that he knew were the same for everyone, the father contacted a member of the Swedish Parliament and complained about the treatment that he and his family had suffered at hands of the social workers. The MP recommended him to contact a lawyer in Gothenburg (R H-C), who he could request the court to appoint as his public defender in the case.

    In three consecutive decisions the chief justice at the county administrative court refused to appoint the lawyer that the father had chosen as his public defender – claiming that the distance between the cities was too great. When the chief justice made the first decision, he appointed a local lawyer as public defender for the father, but he has refused to even talk to the local lawyer. Since the father could not pay the lawyer of his choosing to travel to the court and plead his cause and he had forbidden the local lawyer to even utter one word at the hearing, the father had to conduct his own case.

    The court paid the local lawyer several thousand crowns for work that he hadn’t done, whereas the lawyer who defended the father received no payment from the court.

    It should be noted that it was the same judge, ie the chief justice, who delivered the verdict in the case according to which the boy should be taken into public care and placed in a foster home.

    The County Administrative court has thereby committed a gross miscarriage of justice. This case is in no way unique.

    One lay judge in the County Administrative court gave a dissenting opinion. He wrote the following.

    “The youngster has been described by the school staff as clever and ambitious but with difficulties in distinguishing between right and wrong and in listening and coping with reprimands. He has shown anxiety and difficulties in concentration in school and has on several occasions told people around him that he has been exposed to assault by the father. It has not been shown, however, that any assault has taken place. In view of the enmity existing between the witness and the father, what the witness has claimed concerning the father’s assault on the son leads to no other assessment. The father and his wife have limited economic resources and receive a maintenance allowance. The youngster is now placed in a foster home that appears to be affluent. In consideration of what has been revealed about the differences in economic circumstances, the youngster’s wish to remain in the foster home need not in itself imply that the conditions with the father are such that residing with the father is not consistent with the youngster’s best interests. The father has several times asked the Social Welfare Board for economic help so that the youngster could have the things that a boy of his age normally has, for instance, a bicycle and a cell phone. He has not received any help from the Social Welfare Board. In that case, the Social Welfare Board has not fulfilled its obligations to help the father in his role as a parent. In the case it has come out that the youngster is somewhat afraid of the father, and that there are some defects in the father’s care of his son. In view of the existing cultural differences, and since the father’s wife appears to have a certain stabilising function in the home, I find that there is no obvious risk of harming the youngster’s health or development if he resides at home. Consequently, the fact that some criticism can be directed against the circumstances in the father’s home does not, in my view, mean that it has been proved that the youngster’s health or development is at obvious risk of being harmed because of them. The conditions for taking the youngster into care by virtue of §2 of LVU (The Law on the Ward of Minors) therefore do not exist. The Board’s application should therefore be rejected.
    – In other respects, I am in agreement with the majority.

    The father appealed against the County Administrative court verdict but he lost in all three instances. His son is still in foster care.

    2. Further Eleven Cases
    11. 1981- Mål nr B 87/81
    10. 1981 – Mål nr B 703/81
    9. 1982 – Mål nr B 63/82
    8. 1992 – Mål nr 4155-1992 – The Unruly Child
    7. 1993 – Mål nr B 263/92
    6. 1994 – Mål nr B 5/94
    5. 1995 – Mål nr B 371/95
    4. 1997 – Mål nr B 13593-96 – Teacher Case
    3. 1997 – Mål nr B 715/96 + Föräldrar slipper fängelse
    2. 1998 – Mål nr B 2943-98
    1. 2000 – Mål nr B 1022-99

    3. Twelve Articles:
    1. “The Trip to Nowhere” By Professor emeritus Jacob W.F. Sundberg

    http://www.nkmr.org/english/the_trip_to_nowhere.htm
    2. “Stepparents abuse children to death more often” – in English

    http://www.nkmr.org/english/step_parents_abuse_children_to_death_more_often.htm
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    “Styvföräldrar misshandlar oftare barn till döds”, Dagens Nyheter May 12, 2006
    http://www.dn.se/DNet/jsp/polopoly.jsp?d=572&a=544328&previousRenderType=2
    3. Gosta Ohmans teser och antiteser — bottom half in English
    4. Sweden’s smacking ban: more harm than good – Robert E. Larzelere PhD — in English

    http://www.christian.org.uk/pdfpublications/sweden_smacking.pdf
    5. Presentation. A Review of the Outcomes of Parental Use of Nonabusive or Customary Physical Punishment, Robert E. Larzelere, PhD – in English
    6. Discipline Bibliography Robert E. Larzelere – in English
    7. “Parenting – The Discipline Controversy Revisited” Diana Baumrind — in English
    8. “Personal Statements” Diana Baumrind, PhD – in English
    9. “En Onödig Lag” (1978)
    10. Smacking- Those Swedes must be Crazy – in English

    http://www.nkmr.org/english/smacking_those_swedes_must_be_crazy.htm
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    L’Express Fessee: ils sont fous, ces Suédois! (1979)
    http://www.nkmr.org/francais/fessee_ils_sont_fous_ces_suedois.htm
    11. How to control adults by means of ‘children’s rights’. By Lynette Burrows – in English

    http://www.nkmr.org/english/how_to_control_adults_by_means_%20of_childrens_rights.htm
    12. ”Violence against Children in Europe and Central Asia” United Nations report — in English

    http://www.violencestudy.org/IMG/doc/EuropeCAsia_report_JK_FINAL_12_Feb.doc

    Submission presented to the Select Committee by Benita Williamson


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    Here is a well-formulated oral submission presented to the Select Committee by Benita Williamson on Thursday 27 July 2006 in Hamilton:

    Oral Submission to the Justice & Electoral Select Committee
    On The Crimes (Abolition of Force as a Justification for Child Discipline)
    Amendment Bill

    Presented By
    Benita Williamson
    On 27 July 2006

    Summary of Points

    § This Bill does not solve the real problem -child abuse.

    § It will have numerous negative consequences.

    § It ignores copious independent research into other countries who have unsuccessfully tried similar legislation.

    § It is illogical and flawed law-making.

    § It goes directly against what the majority of New Zealanders think.

    § It will potentially put children at even greater risk.

    § It directly dis-empowers parents and strips them of their parental authority- something that is fundamental to a stable society.

    References

    1) http://spcs.org.nz/content/category/1/16/36

    2) TV1 internet poll (Continuous since 28 July 05) 93%
    TVNZ Website poll (13 July 06) 78%
    NZ Herald (2003 & 2005 respectively) 70 & 71 %
    Dominion Post (February 06) 82%
    Stuff Opinion Poll (16 February 06) 83.8%
    Ministry of Justice (oldest, but most thorough (2001) 80%

    3) http://people.biola.edu/faculty/paulp/sweden.html

    4) http://www.barnardos.org.nz/AboutUs/repeal_physicalpunishment.asp

    Oral Submission to the Justice & Electoral Select Committee
    On The Crimes (Abolition of Force as a Justification for Child Discipline) Amendment Bill

    Presented By
    Benita Williamson
    On
    27 July 2006

    As you will know from my written submission, I am against the Repeal of Section 59. As a mother of three, who occasionally smacks her children, I feel strongly about this on a very personal level; however, what concerns me most about this law change, is that even if I was against smacking as a form of discipline, I would still consider this to be a severely flawed piece of legislation.

    I have come to this conclusion through asking myself four key questions.
    § What is the problem we are trying to fix?
    § Does the proposed solution fix the problem?
    § What are the negative consequences of this course of action?
    § Do the potential benefits outweigh the risks?

    1. What is the problem we are trying to fix?
    The Bill states that its aim is to stop force and associated violence and harm under the pretence of domestic discipline. However, on what basis have repeal proponents concluded this is happening, when according to Mark Burton the Justice database does not record the type of defence used and as such they are unable to identify acquittals from a Section 59 defence? (1) Section 59 itself clearly states that the force used must be reasonable in the circumstances and must be for the purposes of discipline. No where does it allow for violent child abusers.

    I am aware that Sue Bradford, among others, equates any form of physical punishment as assault, however, it is not the job of our MP’s to mould the law according to their own beliefs but to serve the citizens of this country.

    Research done on NZ views towards child discipline shows consistently that the large majority of NZ’ers (2) approve of limited physical discipline of children, including a light smack. Additionally, supporters of this bill have numerous times assured the NZ public that the purpose of this bill is not to make criminals of loving parents who choose to use this form of discipline.

    These things considered, I would conclude that in answer to my first question, the real problem is not legal loopholes, nor trying to prevent reasonable physical discipline, but NZ’s alarmingly high rate of abuse of our most valuable national treasure-OUR CHILDREN.

    2. Does the Proposed Solution fix the Problem?
    Although the Crimes Amendment Bill is effective at achieving its stated goal, that is, preventing child abusers using a defense of reasonable force to avoid conviction, it doesn’t do anything to solve the actual problem: child abuse. Child abusers can be generalised into two categories:
    § Firstly, those that through lack of good example, support and parenting education, get angry, frustrated and desperate. These people are by definition, not thinking rationally therefore the possibility of criminal conviction will have no effect on their actions. If it did, we wouldn’t have any cases of spousal abuse either, considering that is also illegal.
    § And secondly, there are those who get pleasure out of inflicting harm on their victims. This group seeks to fulfill their own desires regardless of the law. Just as a pedophile still abuses children, even though that too is illegal.

    Consequently, I feel this law change will have no positive effect on the actual incidence of child abuse occurring. In fact an extensive scientific peer review of 18 separate studies (3) showed that in Sweden:
    § There has been a 489% increase in abuse of children under 7 since smacking was banned in 1979,
    § Child mortalities almost doubled over the 15 year period before and after the law change.
    § In addition, child against child assaults increased by a staggering 672%.

    3. What are the negative consequences of this course of action?
    3.1 Making criminals out of decent parents
    Despite some politicians mendacious claims to the contrary, if Section 59 is fully repealed, all forms of physical force or even threat of force against a child will become a crime.
    As with assault towards an adult, there will be legitimate legal defenses, such as in self defense or protection of property.
    Where the law will be silent is on the issue of parental discipline. As a mother I am faced daily with disciplinary issues where I am required to use force or the threat of force, such as:
    § Picking up my riotous toddler to put him in time out-which can sometimes require a considerable amount of force.
    § Physically putting my child into the car against his will when it is time to leave the playground.
    § Taking my older child by the shoulder and shutting him into his room until it is tidy- after asking him repeatedly with no response.

    These things do not make me a child abuser, yet if Section 59 is repealed, I will be breaking the law on a daily basis.
    Proponents of the Repeal, say that it’s just a technicality and the police aren’t actually going to convict someone like me. Maybe that is true, but this is seriously flawed logic:
    -They are taking something that is legal, widely used, and in the case of
    time out, actively encouraged;
    -then changing the law to make it ILLEGAL;
    -but then saying that they are not going to uphold that law anyway!

    Let’s be honest, that is just poor law making, surely we can do better?

    3.2 Wasting valuable Police and CYFS resources
    For the police to choose not to prosecute someone like me, it will still be necessary for them to investigate, putting extra pressure on an already stretched police force.
    Alternatively, they could hand it on to CYFS, whose policy is to remove the child first, then investigate, which if a false alarm, has the potential to cause much more psychological damage to that child than the initial smack or force used.
    As a result, the most tragic consequence of all would be that the Police and CYFS, faced with a huge increase of workload, would potentially miss the children that are genuinely in danger.

    3.3 Destroying Parental Authority
    The long-term consequences for NZ children and society as a whole are also very serious. Supporters of this Bill argue that in our modern democracy we do not want to intimidate the population into obeying laws and regulations; rather, we want them to understand the reasons for the laws and to comply with them because they agree that the law is sensible (4).

    This is a wonderful concept; However, it’s plain common sense that although we would like everyone to obey the law out of respect and understanding, and most people do, we wouldn’t expect our police force to function without guns, handcuffs and prison cells to enforce those laws?

    Even Pilots and Ship Captains are granted authority under the law to use physical force, on adults and children alike, to maintain order onboard their craft. All these people are put in positions of authority, and just as we wouldn’t expect them to do their jobs without the necessary systems to effect their purpose, so too we cannot expect parents to do their important job effectively without the law to back them up.

    To remove a parents right to limited physical force strips them of their ultimate authority. If children do not first learn respect for authority in the home we cannot expect them to grow into functional members of society, with respect for their teachers, employers, the police and the law.

    4. Do the potential benefits outweigh the risks?
    In my mind No; this Bill is a classic example of throwing the baby out with the bath water.

    I implore you to consider carefully, is this really the best possible solution we can come up with or just 1 possible solution?

    It has been argued, that other options such as defining reasonable force will be too complicated; Well then, I leave you today with 1 last question:

    Are we willing to let our children be guinea pigs for social science because coming up with a better solution was put in the ‘too hard’ basket?


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    Here is the link to a brilliant oral submission presented by Carey College (principal, Michael Drake):

    http://careycollege.com/education/Oral%20Submission%20Full.pdf

    Oral Submission to the Justice and Electoral Select Committee on the Crimes (Abolition of Force as a Justification for Child Discipline) Amendment Bill – Presented by Barbara Smith

    28 August 2006

    Summary of Points

    I am a 24 hour a day parent. Our family is a father, mother and 8 secure children
    2. The worst abuse of children is in the womb
    3. Foster care and Sweden—Ruby Harrold-Claesson’s visit to New ZealandAbuse in 4. Abuse in Sweden has not gone down since the law changes in Sweden
    I fear for my Grandchildren in Section 59 is repealed in New Zealand.

    1. I am a 24 hour a day parent. Our family is a father, mother and 8 secure children. We are being blasted in the media about “Family Violence”. I take exception to this. By and large this violence is not happening in the natural family. Please see what I mean by natural family in Appendix A “Principles on Family” from the Family First Lobby’s website: http://www.familyfirst.org.nz/files/FAMILY%20FIRST%20PRINCIPLES%20on%20Family.pdf and in my original submission to the Select Committee where I talk about being a full time Mum 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. It is not “Family Violence”— It is “Household Structure Violence” or “Composite Family Violence” that you need to be concerned about. Please note the Analysis of British data by the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C. which shows that compared with the intact married family, serious child abuse is: 6 times higher in the step-family; 14 times higher in families with single mothers (divorced and single mothers combined); 20 times higher with de facto biological parents; and 33 times higher where the mother cohabits with a boyfriend. That is, there is a 3,300% more chance of child abuse happening in a “Household Structure” where the mother cohabits with a boyfriend than in a “Natural Family” of mother, father and children.

    Bob McCoskrie of Family First mentioned in a media release on 26 August 2006 the following:
    “The CYFS report released at the end of last month highlighted statistics showing that children living in households with an adult unrelated to them were almost 50 times as likely to die of an inflicted injury as those living with two biological parents.
    According to a study published in 2005 in the journal Pediatrics, researchers from the University of Chicago and the University of Missouri found that young children who live with their mothers’ boyfriends or other unrelated adults are 48 times more likely to die from child abuse than those living with two biological parents.
    And Canadian Researchers found that Preschool children in stepfamilies are 40x more likely as children in intact families to suffer physical or sexual abuse. They said that stepfathers are far more likely to assault nonbiological children than their own natural children.”

    There is no need to Repeal Section 59 to get rid of “Household Structure Violence” or “Composite Family Violence” . This kind of violence is already against the law.

    Please let natural families who are doing a great job of training their children continue to do so without fear of being charged with a criminal offence and having their secure and loved children taken away from them by keeping Section 59 of the Crimes Act.

    2. The worst abuse of children is in the womb
    We have a Children’s Commissioner, Dr Cindy Kiro who is doing nothing for any baby/child in the womb. She says that her job begins at the birth of a child. I showed in my original submission in the UNCROC preamble and Articles 1, 2, 6, and 24 that the unborn should be a concern of the Children’s Commissioner. Dr Cindy Kiro should be sacked for ignoring the gross violence occurring every day of every year in this country to at least 17,000 children yearly.

    Repealing Section 59 will not stop the roughly 12 child murders a year happening in New Zealand. It hasn’t in Sweden and it won’t in New Zealand. This is “Household Structure Violence”.

    Repealing Section 59 won’t stop the most gross of all child abuse in New Zealand—the nearly 18,000 abortions.

    These are the areas that need to be worked on, not the law abiding conscientious natural family.

    Please keep section 59 as it is.

    3. Foster care and Sweden—Ruby Harrold-Claesson’s visit to New Zealand
    Ruby Harrold-Claesson’s visit to New Zealand reinforced what I wrote in my original submission that the law would lead to prosecutions of parents who employed mild physical sanctions, while doing nothing to reduce the number of cases of genuine child abuse. Children are removed from their supposedly “abusive” parents and taken into care, they suffer far worse in care than they ever did with their own parents through the separation from their parents and siblings and are exposed to the risk of real abuse. Ruby Harrold-Claesson says “The damage caused by this legislation is so serious that it should not be followed by any civilised country. Rather, Sweden needs the help of other nations to have this destructive legislation repealed.”

    Or our own Select Committee on CYFS confirms a fear we have about CYFS
    That regardless of any criminal action they take independent action if they believe a child is in need of care or protective services: http://www.clerk.parliament.govt.nz/Content/SelectCommitteeReports/ssvotecyfs06.pdf

    2005/06 Estimates Vote Child, Youth and Family Services
    Report of the Social Services Committee

    Section 59 of Crimes Act 1961
    Section 59 of the Crimes Act 1961 refers to the use of force towards a child by way of
    correction. Regardless of any criminal action, the department takes independent action if it
    believes a child is in need of care or protective services. Thus, the section does not prevent
    the department intervening directly with a family if this is deemed appropriate.

    Also from the Transcription at the bottom:
    Scott: Can I have a sup on that. I just want to ask what the department’s opinion
    is on section 59.
    Dyson: The department doesn’t have a view on section 59.
    Scott: What I want to know really is does that defence cause difficulties for the
    department? Do people use that defence? Do they know it’s there even, or
    does it not register?
    Tyler: Our work is quite different and we take a look independent of any other
    statutes, whether or not according to the definitions in our Act the child is
    in need of care or protective services. Regardless of any criminal action, we
    will take action independent under our statute. So that can never be used as
    a defence.
    Dyson: So the recent case would not stop Child, Youth and Family intervening
    directly with that family, if Child, Youth and Family determined, under our
    criteria, that it was appropriate. It is irrelevant what the correct decision is in
    terms of intervention.
    Scott So it’s totally separate what happens with the police as to what happens
    with Child, Youth and Family?
    Dyson Yes.

    This is scary stuff. If section 59 is repealed this could be a nightmare for some families. As a 24 hour a day Mum in a traditional family not a “Household Structure” or “Composite Family” it scares me that CYFS might hear an anonymous tip about a false report of violence in my family. CYFS could come and take my children until I am proven innocent then they may or may not return my children determined on a crystal ball about whether they think my children are safe or not. Our family does not fall in the “Household Structure where the violence is highest”. We are a loving, caring family seeking to train and correct our children so that they will be good law abiding citizens.

    Which leads me to Judy Turner who has been seeking support for a CYF complaints authority. Apparently she has had many “faxes, phone calls and emails from people keen to tell their story and frustrated that there is nowhere for them to go to ask for justice.” It seems we already have problems in this area and it looks set to get worse if Section 59 is repealed.

    4. Abuse in Sweden has not gone down since the law changes in Sweden
    This is not so. Ruby Harrold-Claesson showed us that the number of children dying from abuse in Sweden has remained consistent and possibly is a little higher. Sweden started out with low figures of child homicide. New Zealand is starting out with high child homicide cases. Repealing Section 59 of the Crimes Act 1961 will not have an effect on the child homicide numbers in New Zealand. If anything they may go up. Child homicide is already against the law as is child abuse. People who abuse/kill there children are not stopped by laws so repealing Section 59 will make no difference to these people. I am sure that you will have the paper put out by the Children’s Commissioner on 26 July called “Child deaths and serious injury as a result of assault in Sweden and New Zealand.” This is a good paper to have. It is appalling the amount of abuse that is done to children in this country. But what Ruby Harrold-Claesson was trying to say to the Select Committee and to MPs in New Zealand is that the average number of children dying from abuse in Sweden a year has remained roughly around 7 since the law changes and that this figure has NOT decreased as the advocates of repeal of Section 59 in New Zealand are saying will happen in New Zealand. Infact in Sweden it may be rising. Sometimes there are up to 12 deaths in a year according to some statistics. So far in the first 4 months of this year in Sweden there have been 4 child homicides.

    I fear for my Grandchildren if Section 59 is repealed in New Zealand.
    In this PC gone wild world I fear for my grandchildren and future generations. We are feeling the results of some bad policy changes over the last 100 years. This must stop. This bill to repeal Section 59 of the Crimes Act 1961 is one of the worst against families that we have seen. This generation must rise up and call for this to be stopped at the Second Reading of this Bill. We need to get back to the traditional family which is the cornerstone of society. We need to help reduce down the “Household Structures” where violence is such an everyday occurrence. Children need a father, mother, their siblings and their extended family. Anything else is confusing for children especially where there are others in the household who are not there for the children’s sake but for the pleasure of other adults. Let us make laws to favour the traditional family not any old “household structure”. I am a 24 hour a day Mum to 8 children. I know what I am talking about when it comes to training up and correcting children—I feel infinitely more qualified than someone who has been to University and studied Social Policy. I know my children inside out and I know that I am the best Mum for them. I don’t want you or CYFS to have my children.

    And then just before I close I would like to make one more point:

    In EPOCH’s media release of 24 August 2006 they say “During the debate about whether or not to repeal s.59, some New Zealanders have expressed a fear that decent, loving parents would be criminalized for minor physical punishment of their children, if s.59 were repealed. That fear was based on an assumption that parents who smack their child would be reported to the Police and that every report would result in a prosecution.“

    This can be likened to speeding on New Zealand roads. Is it illegal to go over 100 km per hour. Yes it is. Do New Zealanders travel faster than 100 km per hour? Yes they do. Do they all get prosecuted? No they don’t. Only the ones that are caught or reported on. Do Police have blitzes to crack down on speeding. Yes.

    This would be the same if a parent lightly smacked their child if Section 59 is repealed. Parents will continue to smack their children. Will they all be prosecuted? No, definitely no. Will some be prosecuted? Yes, definitely yes. If some are brought to the notice of the Police then they will have to prosecute and it will be a crime in the absence of Section 59 which could mean up to two years in jail. But even worse than the parent being put in jail is the fact that CYFS would most likely put the children in foster care. This is violence that we cannot tolerate. Reasonable force is not violence. But taking children from parents who have used Reasonable Force to correct their children is violence.

    So please make your recommendation to Parliament to drop the repealing of Section 59 and to leave Section 59 as it is. It is a brilliant piece of legislation. Those who drew this up are to be congratulated on writing a piece of legislation that has lasted through the years and one that does not exclude anyone’s worldview. The New Zealand Public is expecting this Repeal of Section 59 NOT to be passed.


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    Wednesday, 14 June 2006, 10:05 am
    Press Release: Steven Dromgool

    A summary of my presentation to the Select Committee on the Repeal Section 59
    Good intentions no excuse for bad law
    I have been overwhelmed and encouraged by the debate surrounding the proposed bill to repeal Section 59 of the Crimes Act (the anti-smacking law)
    The consensus is clear – as a nation we are disgusted and appalled by the frequency with which we read about another child being beaten until dead or half dead (most often by a mother’s boyfriend or step-parent). We want this to stop or dramatically decrease. The repeal Bill has been presented as a panacea to this problem.
    Unfortunately these kinds of bills have been passed in other countries and the results are clear. They do not reduce or prevent serious child abuse or death – in fact a proportion of deaths occur because parents delay getting medical help because they fear having their child removed. Child abuse in Sweden (which has the most long-standing anti-smacking laws) actually rose following the introduction of their anti-smacking law. Most concerning however is 672% increase in youth on youth assault during the period from 1981-1994 which is massively higher than any comparable country without the anti-smacking laws. In effect where there are no consequences to bullying or hurting other children (such as the fear of physical consequences) why stop bullying. Sweden has a higher child abuse rate than the United States (references are Lyons & Larzelere, 1996).
    More importantly Sweden has a fantastically high rate of child removal – over 4 times our current rate. Children taken into care are exposed to neglect and abuse and the disruption of their natural attachments to their parents which is essential for their emotional health. Typically because of foster care shortages they are placed in family homes along with other hard to place children including children who have sexually abused other children or have extreme violence or behaviour problems. The psychological damage to children who are removed is extreme and must be seriously contemplated as a cost of removal. Children who are damaged in their attachment capacities are more likely to be violent or sexually abusive – so what occurs is a perpetuation of a cycle of violence.
    Sue Bradford has recognized the public’s concern about parents being prosecuted and has provided assurances that this would not happen however the police have clearly stated in a letter to Craig Smith the National Director of Family Integrity that if Section 59 was repealed then, “smacking of a child by way of a corrective action would be an assault…the Police in investigating such cases would consider the amount of force used … an aggravating factor in any such decision may be the fact that a child is generally more vulnerable than an adult.”
    Clearly this says that the police would be bound to treat smacking for discipline as prima facie assault (as would be physically carrying a child to their room for – “time-out”. Time-out is illegal in Denmark which has a similar law to Sweden.
    The fact is that children’s vulnerability to serious abuse is closely aligned to family breakdown. It has no or a negative correlation to appropriate physical discipline according to empirical peer-reviewed research. If we wish to make it clear that flogging a child or slapping them around the head is not appropriate then what is required is an amendment of section 59 to define reasonable force as proposed by United Future’s Murray Smith and Gordon Copeland. Good intentions are no excuse for bad law. Repealing Section 59 will actively harm New Zealand families and our children as such I cannot stand by and support it in the name of political correctness.

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    Monday, 12 June 2006
    I agreed to feed back comment to you about
    some of my impressions of the hearings.

    1. Human Rights Commission: There was considerable comment about
    the need to enshrine the UN charter on the ‘rights’ of a child,
    particularly Article 19 of the Convention on the Rights of the Child –
    protect the child from all forms of physical violence. There was
    comments how the UN Committee against Torture noted in its report that
    New Zealand allows violence against the child through having section 59
    Crimes Act in place. The Commission also spoke about ‘general comment
    8’ which links corporate punishment to violence in the community leading
    to the proposition that if you stop corporal punishment, you will lessen
    violence in the Community.

    Other speakers said that leaving s 59 as is would be contrary to human
    rights legislation. There was comment that the intentions of the Care
    of Children’s Act (2004?) was also at odds with leaving s 59 as is.

    Others like Richard Northey (Peace Foundation) spoke of positive
    initiatives in schools such as child mediation systems and SKIP
    initiatives in the community.

    There was significant discussion linking smacking (as violence) to
    violence in the community. Most of this is without scientific back-up
    except, by way of example, the following.

    Not all people driving cars have road accidents. All road accidents
    involve driving. If you want to stop accidents, stop driving. Its that
    sort of logic.

    2. Every now and then a member of the Committee would say something
    like the following during presentations from individuals opposing the
    repeal of s59 of the Crimes Act – “what I hear you saying is that it is
    alright to use smacking (physical force) on a child of 2 years, say,
    with no understanding of the consequences of their behaviour. Tell me
    if it then alright to smack an older person / adult who also has no
    understanding of the consequences of their behaviour (i.e. incontinent
    Alzheimer’s patient).”

    3. The Chair of the Committee (Lynne Pillay) spoke to a number of
    individuals (interestingly, many fathers) that she heard their concerns
    about the threat of prosecution if the bill was passed. She went on to
    say that she wanted to address those concerns by saying that the
    Committee was going to sit down with police and look at establishing
    guidelines for police to follow as the police already have the
    discretion about prosecuting individuals now. The inherent danger here
    is that ‘guidelines’ can be changed by orders from ‘on high’, whoever
    they may be, and that there would be no debate / consultation with the
    community.

    If the guidelines were legalised there would have to be a debate to have
    them changed, as we are with the bill to repeal s59 Crimes Act. The
    guidelines could just as easily be changed to say “zero tolerance” to
    any form of physical correction to a child.

    Discretion does not come into it, just ask any person ticket recently by
    police traffic units when travelling at 111 k/ph in a 100 k/ph area, or
    if the media advertising is to be believed, travelling at 56 k/ph past a
    school in a 50 k/ph area!

    4. Some parents were commenting about their concerns about CYFS.
    Sue Bradford told submitters that this was missing the point and that
    the debate was about using physical violence to discipline children.
    She then went on to say that we (parliament) were already aware of the
    issues with CYFS and action is being taken to address these. On
    reflection, though I ran out of time to comment on this, Sue is missing
    the point. CYFS is a dysfunctional organisation which has legislative
    responsibility to protect children in New Zealand. I am particularly
    concerned that a dysfunctional organisation is going to police
    functional and loving parents / homes and no amount of words from this
    present parliament is going to alleviate those fears.

    5. Another observation that I made was that most organisations
    appearing before the Committee were pro the repeal (with some notable
    exceptions – Christian churches) but that most individuals were for the
    status quo as the words ‘reasonable’ protected the child and were
    subject to review by a judge / jury.

    6. I also ran out of time to comment on Section 22 of the CHILDREN,
    YOUNG PERSONS, AND THEIR FAMILIES (RESIDENTIAL CARE) REGULATIONS 1996,
    PART 2 – LIMITATIONS ON POWERS OF PUNISHMENT AND DISCIPLINE. Please
    note that this is contained in a regulation and not part of the higher
    level statute.

    This gives the state agency – CYFS – authority to use physical force in
    certain circumstances. The repeal of Section 59 will deny parents the
    same protection.

    22. Use of force in dealing with child or young person-

    (1) No member of staff of a residence shall use physical force in
    dealing with a child or young person in the residence unless that member
    of staff has reasonable grounds for believing that the use of physical
    force is reasonably necessary-
    (a) In self defence, or in the defence of another person, or to
    protect that child or young person from injury; or
    (b) To prevent that child or young person from damaging any
    property; or
    (c) To prevent that child or young person from leaving the
    residence if not authorised to do so; or
    (d) To secure the containment of that child or young person in
    secure care; or
    [(e) subject to section 384H of the Act, for the purpose of
    carrying out any search authorised by section 384C or section 384E of
    the Act.]
    (2) Any person who uses physical force for any of the purposes referred
    to in subclause (1) of this regulation shall-
    (a) Use no more [than the minimum amount of force that] is
    reasonably necessary in the circumstances; and
    (b) Record in the daily log the details of the use of such
    force, and of the circumstances giving rise to its use.

    (3) No member of staff of a residence shall in any circumstances
    threaten to use physical force against any child or young person in the
    residence unless the actual use of physical force by that member of
    staff against that child or young person in those circumstances would be
    permissible pursuant to subclauses (1) and (2) of this regulation.
    – J.S.

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    8 June 2006
    Went along and said my pennyworth today

    Committee were: Lynne Pillay (L) Chair, Anne Hartley (L), Sue Bradford )G), Nicky Wagner (N), Chester Burrows (N).

    Pro people were herded through together but separately – con people put through together separately

    Very few questions from the committee

    The committee very favourable to the pro repeal of S59 side.

    Listened politely to the dismiss the bill side.

    Michael Drake put in a good submission.

    More time allowed to those who made larger submissions I think.

    10 minutes each usually.

    Women’s group and Maori group were pro repeal.

    Didnt establish the necessity of repeal though in my mind – just stated it.

    Maybe the best line of attack.

    Regards

    D.A.

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    9 June 2006
    Yesterdays 10 mins was interesting . I did not do the light switch idea as it didn’t seem appropriate.

    I listen to a submission before and 3 after. 2 for, 2 against.

    The committee are very interested in the fors, but not the againsts. The silent treatment is all opposers will get from all except the Nats. It is not a neutral environment by any means.

    One of the For submitters where Amokura Family Violence Prevention Consortium (or similar). They formed in 2003 and have been working with their communities researching issues. They believe there are other ways to correct children that do not include smacking. I spoke to them afterwards. One of there team is a lawyer. They did point out the necessity of education and assistance being required to make these changes, that it was not a fast process etc. etc. I’d like to spend some more time with them to try and understand better the issues.

    From my brief exposure I make the following observations.

    Men are more highly represented opposing the Bill. Women are more highly represented in speaking for it.

    There are two camps re smacking.

    The no place for smacking – there is a better way, this is harmful and violent, contravenes child rights etc.
    The healthy smack is OK and within the law and not harmful.
    There are two levels of exposure to violence against children.
    The healthy majority, middle NZ side, like you and I, who know the difference between a smack and violence and abide by the code of Sect 59.
    The unhealthy, violent offenders, disfunctional families, largely Polynesian and Maori who are indeed outside the code of Sect 59.
    There is likely a genuine area of concern for this last mentioned group using Sect 59 as a defence and getting away with it. This is more complicated due to codification, etc. etc. all of which is outside my experience and knowledge level.
    It may be, that some improvement in the law is required to correct these problems. A family court lawyer would a be a good sounding board to understand this better.

    There is an awareness that CYFS is not highly regarded in the community and indeed feared by many.

    The committee sees the ‘them’ and ‘us’ as Christians vs the rest. They also see division in thinking between churches.

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    I spoke on the ‘Aint broke, don’t fix it’ theme. That Sect 59 is good law and recognizes the role of government that is parents have. That it is force that holds things together. That removing Sect 59 removed the power to parent as a parent saw fit. That this was a right being taken from parents. I detected some sensitivity to using the word ‘right/s’. Maybe more could be made of this term.

    The aspect of the law that is not being considered by the pro’s is the consequences of removing Sect 59. NO consideration of the term force is actually given by the Pro’s. They simply interpret this as hitting, aka violence. They are in my opinion incredibly naive and arrogant about the application of law. No concession is made that ANY exhertion of effort against resistance is in deed force, as per the Crimes Act, and therefore parenting is inherently a forceful act.

    M., made the point that CYFS will become the Social Police – a totally scary proposition and probably unacceptable to almost everyone.
    The select Committee will definitely recommend the Bill proceed. The vote will 3 for, 2 against and it will go to the vote. It will either fail or pass by a couple of votes. I’d lobby Chandri NOW!

    I’d direct my lobby efforts to the politicians who are definites and sitters. Do you have such a list.

    Some how we need to find a king hit position.

    My real fear is that removal of S59 will open up a huge flood of difficult/complex problems for law enforcement. Problems that have NO easy answers. Problems that in real terms are NOT causing Harm or Violence to children.

    All interesting stuff. Now for some work… to provide for my children.

    Cheers.
    P.& M.S.

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    9 June 2006
    Just wanted to let you know that we went around 5pm yesterday to present our submission to the select committee here in Auckland.
    We thought it went very well and everyone we heard speak was totally against Sect 59 being removed.
    It seems there have been a lot of submissions as it looked like the committee had been there all day.
    We praise the Lord for giving us the courage to do this and giving me the words to say as the whole idea of speaking before the committee in person had terrified me. I truly knew the Lord’s strengthening and encouragement.
    Your articles in Teach and pamphlets on the issue were very helpful in making our submission. Thanks for all the time and effort you put into these.
    Yours in Christ,
    K.V.

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