Family Integrity #455 — Another Poll, Quick!
The Stuff media home webpage has another poll to take, simply answering the question that will be on the referendum.
Go for it:
Regards,
Craig Smith
Family Integrity
Family Integrity #455 — Another Poll, Quick!
The Stuff media home webpage has another poll to take, simply answering the question that will be on the referendum.
Go for it:
Regards,
Craig Smith
Family Integrity
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Are you for, or against the child smacking law? |
Thanks for voting | 6602 votes since Nov 14 2008 |
All for it | ![]() |
1139 votes |
Definitely against it | ![]() |
5284 votes |
Don’t care | ![]() |
179 votes |
Our Home….Our Castle
Our Home….Our Castle
Oh this is classic. The Office of the Children’s Commission commissions a survey on smacking and concludes that most parents approve of the law change amending section 59 of the Crimes Act because respondents think that the law should treat the beating of an adult the same as child assault.
This is despite the survey stating that most who gave an opinion support physical discipline of children, with just 20 percent opposing smacking.
The survey asks should children be entitled to the same protection from assault as adults.
Well, of course they should. Just like my neighbour should not slap my kids if they nick his tomato plants, and I shouldn’t punch my neighbour in the face if he pokes his tongue out at me. Both are entitled to the same legal protection, and always have been. But the survey doesn’t ask should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?.
We all know why. They wanted to conflate assault with smacking again, given that most don’t think smacking is assault.
Among the 750 respondents surveyed by UMR were Maori and Pacific Islanders. But the sample of Pacific Islanders chosen was less than the margin of error and the sample of Maori chosen was just over double the margin of error, and the question order was a shambles.
So, respondents were asked whether they supported the law, then once they said they did, they were asked how much they knew about it. Of those that knew about the law change, most supported it. Of those ignorant about the law change, many knew that smacking was now illegal. So some were ignorant of the law but could state some of its provisions? That’s just weird.
What surprised me is that 30 percent said that physical punishment should be part of child discipline. That’s high. The rest were split pretty much evenly between disagreement and neutrality. But the report of the survey says that parents do not have absolute right to treat children as they wish – negating the opinions of at least a third of respondents.
So the survey admits that the sample is not representative of the population and then reports as if it is, while misrepresenting responses and conflating smacking and assault. How dodgy is that? Never trust surveys from the Office of the Children’s Commissioner. The Commission should be scrapped.
http://www.FamilyIntegrity.org.nz
Our Home….Our Castle
Fewer parents smacking
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4746001a11.html
By JOHN HARTEVELT – The Press | Saturday, 01 November 2008
“Anti-smacking” legislation is making parents reluctant to strike their children, the first results of a major study into child discipline show.
The research, carried out between December 2006 and July this year, also found that 70 per cent of parents who are against the legislation do not understand it, prompting calls for a public education campaign.
“I used to smack them on the hand but it scared the crap out of me when that bill came in,” one parent told researchers during in-depth interviews of 117 parents.
First results of the Otago University Children’s Issues Centre project on child discipline, released exclusively to The Press, show smacking rates eighth out of 11 methods, below time-out, distraction, and hugs and smiles, as an effective form of discipline.
“Very few parents indeed were satisfied that physical punishment was an effective way of controlling children and were able to explain why they felt bad about using it,” a forthcoming article on the study, by Anne Smith and Julie Lawrence, says.
While 41% of parents said they smacked, only 9% thought it effective, and 34% said it was ineffective; the rest picking other methods.
“This study indicates that families in New Zealand may be moving towards more positive disciplinary methods, in contrast with previous research (in 1995 and 2002),” the article says.
“There are some indications that the message that physical punishment is not a good idea is getting out to parents. The necessity for a mind-set change, which many advocates of change have been urging, is perhaps beginning to happen.”
Kiwi Party co-leader Larry Baldock, who organised a petition against the law change, said parental views on smacking may have changed because of the fear of being prosecuted.
In June 2007, section 59 of the Crimes Act was rewritten to remove the defence of parental correction for hitting a child.
Lawrence and Smith found that of parents who supported the law change, 58% understood it. Of those against, 30% understood.
“The lack of an education campaign to explain the law is strongly reflected in these statistics,” the article says.
Overall, 60% of parents were unclear about the implications of the law change.
There was “a massive need for more information and education” about the law change.
“There seems to have been timidity and avoidance of objective information about (the Act), perhaps because government bodies are nervous of the reaction from extremely well-funded and powerful religious Right groups to any public information,” the article says.
Green Party MP Sue Bradford, who introduced the law change, said understanding of the law was poor.
“I regret deeply that there wasn’t enough Government buy-in to put in the public information and education to go alongside it,” she said.
“Some parents are, gradually, saying actually it is better to bring up my kids without hitting them.”
Canterbury University Associate Professor of Law John Caldwell said almost no-one understood the new law.
“I don’t think any general members of the public would have any idea at all what the present Section 59 says. I’m quite sure they don’t,” he said.
There were still four potential defences to hitting a child, which “a half-decent lawyer” would use effectively.
Baldock said it was “crap” that people did not understand the law. “The people who don’t understand the law are the people who are in favour of it,” he said.
I have attached some information on the programme, and credible websites which may be useful if you require more information. Feel free to share this information through your website, newsletter, or any other channel you use to communicate with parents of pupils.
Please contact me if you have any queries or would like further information or resources about this programme.
Regards
Teresa Coward
Policy Analyst
HPV Group
Population Health Protection Group
Population Health Directorate
Ministry of Health
DDI: 04 816 3489
Fax: 04 495 2191
http://www.moh.govt.nz
mailto:Teresa_Coward@moh.govt.nz
Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Immunisation Programme.
The Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Immunisation Programme aims to prevent cervical cancer by protecting girls against infection with the two types of HPV that cause most cervical cancers. The first stage of the programme was launched on 1 September for young women born in 1990 and 1991.
In the long term it is expected that more than 30 lives a year will be saved. Fewer women will have to go through the stress of abnormal smear results and the extra tests, diagnoses and treatments that can follow.
Home-schooled girls eligible for HPV vaccine can get the vaccine through their family doctor, practice nurse, or health clinic. From 2009 the vaccine will be offered to 12 year old girls as part of the National Immunisation Schedule. A catch up programme will be offered during 2009 and 2010 for the remaining eligible girls (age 13 to 18).
You can also contact the HPV Programme Project Manager at your local District Health Board to find out where to get the vaccine.
Women will still need to have regular smear tests from the age of 20 as the vaccine does not protect against all HPV types that may cause cervical cancer.
The Gardasil vaccine was shown to be safe and effective in large clinical trials involving more than 20,000 girls and young women. Ongoing studies show that five years after vaccination protection remains very good, and the vaccine prevented HPV infection in 96 percent of women. Research is continuing to monitor the long term protection, and international experts do not expect that a booster dose will be needed.
The websites below provide information on HPV and cervical cancer and have links to further information that you may find useful. You may also wish to discuss the HPV programme with your health care provider, or phone the Immunisation Advisory Centre (IMAC) free on 0800 IMMUNE (0800 466 863).
Useful websites:
http://www.cervicalcancervaccine.govt.nz
http://www.nsu.govt.nz/Current-NSU-Programmes/1161.asp
http://www.moh.govt.nz/moh.nsf/indexmh/immunisation-diseasesandvaccines-hpv-programme
The Government’s Ministry of Health sees all our daughters as either guinea pigs on which to perform a massive, nation-wide experiment or as sheep who need to be sloshed through the dip or hit with the ol’ drench gun whether they need it or not…just in case.
It’s all in a good cause, of course. They want all parents to make an informed consent about subjecting their daughters (aged 12 to 18) to a series of three injections over a sixmonth period of Gardasil® vaccine to hopefully reduce the incidence of cervical cancer. Cervical cancer is not nice. It usually leads to death, but it may only mean sterility and/or disfigurement if caught in time. It is caused by some types, not all types, of the human papillomavirus (HPV).
So the schools are going to give these jabs to the girls for free, older girls starting this month, and they’ll target the 12-year-olds starting in 2009. The drug is licensed for girls aged as young as 9 and as old as 26, but if you’re not in year 8 or have already left school, too bad…you’ll have to pay for it yourself at $450 for the course of three.1
How does one get this HPV anyway? Sexual intercourse.
The comprehensive condom education in schools in not enough. That is because condoms provide little protection against HPV, and HPV infection is the most common STD. So the friendly makers of Gardasil® have struck a deal with the Ministry of Health, to sell them…I mean, to provide millions of doses of this potentially lifesaving drug. Granted, it only protects against the two HPV types that cause 7 out of 10 cervical cancers ,2 but at a cost of only $16 million a year, it seems a bargain. And it will certainly keep the friendly folks at Gardasil® happy.
How bad is this problem? About 200 women a year develop cervical cancer in NZ at present and around 70 die from it per year. The vaccine should reduce the death rate to 30 a year. The Ministry of Health’s National Screening Unit (NSU)1 says the following factors increase the risk of getting cervical cancer:
* having first sexual encounter at an early age
* having more than one sexual partner: increased incidence of the cancer is proportionally linked to an increase in the number or partners;
* having a partner who has HPV, was sexually active at a young age or who has had more than one sexual partner.
The NSU says other factors linked to getting cervical cancer include:
* smoking
* the use of oral contraceptives
* a weakened immune system.
Now, the material sent to me by the Ministry of Health, in order to recruit my help in getting home educators into this vaccination programme, does not mention any of these risk factors. Actually, it said virtually nothing of any use at all. The Ministry of Health website to which I was referred2 does say that the vaccination may only last for five years, but with near-universal vaccinations through the schools’ guinea pigs, they may find it gives longerlasting protection. The NSU website,1 however, says it may take as long as 20 years for an HPV infection to turn cancerous. It also says that women who have never been sexually active hardly ever develop cervical cancer and that very few women with HPV actually develop the cancer. In addition, getting a triannual cervical smear test will eliminate the risk of developing the cancer by 90%.
Both sources said that women should continue to get smear tests regardless of whether they ever got the vaccine or not.
After reading all of that unpleasant stuff, I concluded the vaccine was of very little practical value, even if you do accept the flawed and (to many) the outrageous assumption that most teenaged girls are sexually promiscuous. The programme is obviously quite a gold mine to the makers of Gardasil® and keeps a lot of people in the MoH, the MoE, the Office of the Ombudsman and the Privacy Commission all happily busy spending our tax dollars. I have declined getting involved with the programme.
Notes:
1.http://www.nsu.govt.nz/Current-NSUProgrammes/2480.asp
2.http://www.moh.govt.nz/moh.nsf/indexmh/immunisationdeseasesandvaccines-hpv-programmequestions#cause
The anti-smacking debate has divided the country. Photo / BOP Times
The anti-smacking law is still enormously unpopular, a Herald election survey has found. It reveals that more than 500 out of 600 people polled don’t agree that smacking children is a criminal offence.
Sixteen months after the bill passed in a political compromise supported by Labour and National, the in-depth poll also found strong resistance and scepticism about the watered-down version of the law.
The issue will be tested in a referendum next year, forced by 310,000 people who signed a petition organised by Kiwi Party leader Larry Baldock.
The Herald asked people from Cape Reinga to Fiordland the question to be put in the referendum: “Should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?”
Of those polled, 503 (86 per cent) answered “no”, 52 said “yes”, 28 were equivocal and 17 did not answer the question
Green MP Sue Bradford is the author of the Bill that removed Section 59 that included a defence of reasonable force. She said the defence “allowed some parents to get away with assaulting their children’.
Ms Bradford said the poll confuses the issue because smacking is not a criminal offence. She said proponents of a referendum of the issue are confusing the issue on purpose.
“I believe their real intentions are to change the law so that reasonable force is defined, creating what would in effect be a whackers charter, describing in law the ways in which parents would legally be able to assault their children,’ Ms Bradford said.
Another poll question details the compromise passed by Parliament. This allows parents to use reasonable force against children to prevent harm, to stop a criminal offence, to stop offensive or disruptive behaviour, and for “the normal daily tasks that are incidental to good care and parenting”. But they cannot use force for “correction”.
Police are also given discretion not to prosecute “inconsequential” cases.
This produced a much more even reaction. Exactly 50 per cent (263) still didn’t like it, 34 per cent (177) accepted it, and 16 per cent ( 86) said it was better or “okay in part” or gave other equivocal responses. Seventy four people did not answer.
But this result is not very meaningful because most people don’t understand how it could work. Many described the compromise as contradictory.
More importantly, voters see the anti-smacking law as just part of a broader breakdown of discipline at home, at school and in the community which leaves youngsters vulnerable to the violent “gangsta” culture.
Auckland taxi driver Haresh Karelia, who runs a laundrette in Mangere and a dairy in Otara with his wife and two teenage children, says teachers “have no control of the students”.
“The students do as they like at age 14 or 15,” he said. “They start smoking. No one can do anything.”
Many people also see the youth justice system as ineffective in dealing with children who break the law.
Teenagers aged 14 to 16 can be sent to youth residences for up to six months, but don’t normally go to adult jails. Children under 14 are the subject of family group conferences, which decide who should look after them.
“All these family conferences don’t work. Everybody sits around and agrees on things. Nothing changes,” said Mangere Bridge teacher Margaret, 57.
Her partner James, 59, said: “Kids know they can get away with far too much before anything happens to them … ” I know kids with $45,000 worth of vehicle fines. They laugh at them.”
Critics of the law have attacked the Government for rejecting a referendum with the November general election in favour of a postal ballot in the middle of next year.
But ministers said electoral officials had told them that the last time a referendum was held it had confused voters and slowed the vote count.
Ms Bradford said the second part of the Herald Poll is “encouraging’ because it shows New Zealand is evenly split on the Section 59 law passed by Parliament.
“This accords with my own perceptions over the last three years, that the country is evenly divided in this matter, but that more and more people are coming to realise it is actually better for all of us if children have a chance to grow up free from violence,” Ms Bradford said.
The smacking debate:
Should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offence in New Zealand?
86% – No
9% – Yes
5% – Unsure
Do you agree with the law as passed by Parliament?
50% – No
34% – Yes
16% – Better/Okay in part
with NZ HERALD STAFF
Craig, thank you.
We’re still praying desperately for NZ,
and continue to talk to other families about moving down.
There are many who want to consider it, but wonder about NZ’s short term future.
One concern: the lack of a basic grasp of reform and the need for reform to be biblical in design.
Breetvelt’s idea might be pragmatic for a short term solution, but it’s a Greek solution, not Biblical. It will lead to all the disasters of ‘democracy’ that the American founders predicted. Does he not understand what the American framers were getting at in trying to restore a biblical foundation rather than a revolutionary Greek system similar to what France adopted at the same time.
He is advocating another French system of democracy.
The preference of the majority cannot be the standard for legislation. God’s wisdom must be, or the nation will remain under God’s chastisement.
Pragmatically, his system is the preferred globalist system of government. They would love to have his system on the books.
Simply run NZ students through another four years of government globalist education, and easily 51 percent of NZ voters will want everything the anti-Christian globalists want.
May the Lord have mercy on us.
G